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Whatd do you do?
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| Teach N.Korea a Lesson it won't soon forget. |
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5.48% |
| Takeover the world. |
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20 |
27.40% |
| Create intersteller Empire |
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31.51% |
| give Ground force tech to America, let it conquer |
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5.48% |
| Share the Technology freely with the rest of humanity. |
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6.85% |
| 'Splode Paris |
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12.33% |
| All fall before the Banana Empire |
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10.96% |
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73 voters |
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:29
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Lonestar:
ISDs are certainly more akin to WW2 Battleships in terms of their design and function. Lucas explicitely states that those were his inspiration, and the bridge towers are even reminiscent of them. Why get hung up on nomenclature? A galactic navy in a galaxy far, far away is certainly going to call things differently, I imagine!
skywalker,
Ah, you commit cardinal sin of SW nerd discussions. Tech manuals and supplements are of much lower authority when determining the veracity of such things. The order of authority is:
1) Films (canon)
2) Official material
3) Non-official material
Within the films, what is seen trumps what is said. So a character can say something, but if what we observe contradicts that, we must conclude the character was mistaken.
Now, Home One is clearly not an MC-80. You can look at its design and compare it to the MC-80 design, and see for yourself it isn't an MC-80. It's much larger, just look at the comparison shots Lonestar posted.
As for the SSD, even the official Star Wars movie web site has adjusted the length to 12 km, saying the length is in dispute [note: this is such a stupid caveat, since you'd think that such a site would at least pretend to be authoritative]. However, if you accept that an ISD is 1.6 km long (1 mile), then you will have to deal with this shot from RoTJ, the clearest comparison of size available:
Note the ISD is in front of the SSD, so is slightly closer to the camera. If the ISD is 1.6 km, the mimimum length of the SSD, were you to cut n paste the ISD along its side, would be 16km. However, since the stern of the SSD is angled towards the camera, it is likely even longer than that, the best estimate being 17.6km. Either way, the 8 km length is completely unrealistic. Not one shot of the SSD in the films shows the purported 8 km length.
The below comparison seems to me to adequately reflect the same size ratio as the above RoTJ shot. THis supports 17.6 km:
Check out this one form ESB:
And this:
The film canon simply does not support the 8km fallacious length.
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Jon Miller
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Originally posted by Kassiopeia
I'm actually going to take the "Loser of the Thread" award and speculate at length on the scenario.
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loser of the thread most deffinitely goes to one of the following three
Lonestar, skywalker, or Boris
Jon Miller
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Cruddy
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Hmm. It depends on where the rest of the fleet is - I'd want to be sure it wasn't likely to appear any time soon.
If it was likely to show up, I'd share the tech. If not, I'd go for a spin.
One thing I woud definately do is carve a peace symbol on the moon - but I wouldn't be so much of a coward as to turn the weapons onto a city.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:29
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Originally posted by Sava
You know what I don't get about Star Destroyers?
1. Why put the bridge in a vulnerable spot. |
ISDs weren't designed to be close-range combat vessels, much like carriers are not. Note that carrier bridges are equally vulnerable. It just wasn't anticipated that such ships would ever have to worry about a threat getting that close.
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2. Why not carry more fighters? It's a big ship, but seems like most of it is not ship storage and such. |
ISDs carry a huge complement of ground forces as well, including several thousand troops, AT-ATs, AT-STs, hovertanks, etc. They take up a lot of room. Plus the engine space alone occupies a huge percentage of the ship. The ISD carries plenty of fighters for most instances. They are also accompanied by escort carriers which supplement the fighters.
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3. If those two big shield generators generate powerful shields, why not put like 50 of them on the ship? |
They aren't shield generators, they are sensor arrays. Blueprints of the ISDs from ANH label them clearly as such. The notion they are shield generators is a false interpretation of the events of the SSD's demise in RoTJ.
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4. If you can put a hyperdrive on a small ship, can't you put a hyperdrive on a proton torpedo or concussion missile and shoot it at another vessel? |
The SW comic books explored this notion, I believe.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:29
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Originally posted by Sava
The company's name is LucasArts...  but I suppose Lucas is far from the game making process...  |
Supposition correct. LucasArts is the publisher, anyway--the game designers are usually part of a separate programming company that has been hired to actually make the games. They aren't affiliated with Lucas.
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Boris: You do realize you are arguing about a fantasy storyline... and technology that is equally as fantastic, right? Anyways, IMO, the ships aren't designed very practically, in terms of the types of battles in the movies. |
Of course I realize it, but you're the one who started the "let's quibble about practicality" line. The ships aren't the most practical for the one battle in the movie, in RoTJ. Notice how everyone is surprised when Lando has the Rebel fleet engage the Imperials at point-blank range. The Imps never expected anyone to have the chutzpuh to engage a fleet of ISDs at that range. That wasn't their original design intention.
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And for RoTJ: I see a big dome thing get blown up, then a guy yell, "our bridge deflector shields are out"... it sounds like the Star-Wars techie geeks are the ones who are wrong.  |
You're taking it out of context. Look at the whole sequence of events:
1) Akbar orders Rebel Fleet to concentrate firepower on the SSD
2) We see Rebel cruisers surrounding the SSD and barraging it with fire
3) A starfighter is able to destroy the globe with a missile.
4) Officer reports to Admiral Piett the shields are down, and Piett orders them to increase defensive fire around the bridge.
5) Out-of-control A-Wing smashes into bridge, causing loss of control for SSD. Caught in the Death Star's gravity, it plunges into the space station and explodes.
Now, No. 3 would not be possible if the SSD's shields were still operational. The globes would be as protected from fire by shields as any other part of the ship. How did the starfighter's missile get through? Answer--the shields were already down at that point.
The concentration of firepower from all the Rebel cruisers caused Executor's shields to drop. The destruction of the globe was a symptom of the loss of shields, not its cause. Note the officer doesn't say what caused the shield loss.
You'll note that the SSD had not just the two globes on the bridge tower, but multiple globes on the dorsal surface around it. If these were generators, one would have to assume the destruction of one wouldn't completely disrupt all of Executor's shields. Even in the computer games, you have to destroy both globes to drop the shields (and one missile won't destroy them, either).
Add to that the design of the globes, which look like radar globes here on earth, and the fact that Lucas positioned them in the same spot where one would fine such sensors on WW2 battleships, and I think the case is pretty clear they aren't shield generators.
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