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Whatd do you do?
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| Teach N.Korea a Lesson it won't soon forget. |
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5.48% |
| Takeover the world. |
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20 |
27.40% |
| Create intersteller Empire |
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31.51% |
| give Ground force tech to America, let it conquer |
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5.48% |
| Share the Technology freely with the rest of humanity. |
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6.85% |
| 'Splode Paris |
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12.33% |
| All fall before the Banana Empire |
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10.96% |
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Kramerman
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UT, Austin - The live music capital of the world
Jun 2002
time: 23:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Shielded ISDs can park themselves in the core of a star and take no damage. |
i dont think so
The sun crusher could do this... an ISD, like anything else with capital ship shielding, could approach a star fairly safely, but if it were to get to close, it might get pulled in by its graivty and fried.
As for unrealism in SW, the only thing utterly unrealistic to me is the Force, and jedi piss me off. Other than that, its 'realism' is little different from any other sci fi universe. In any of em, you will have to suspend disbelief. Why GePap thinks star wars is sooo much more unrealistic is beyond me, if one does not consider the force
Kman
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
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That is an incredible site  smiley
Though I shudder to think about the work that went into it.
It also gives a minor illustration of why I do think SW fans are unrelaistic: a regular ISD is big, but smaller than a Shadow Dreadnaught. When the site Boris quotes states how absurdly high the power ratings of B5 weapons which are given are, just imagine, as I said, that the quoted power output of a single battery of turbolasers is supposed to be much greater than that, and we are told a ISD has 144 of them....... A bit of a problem, no?
Which is why I don;t like "canon": the people who made these shows were not physists for the most part, and thye most certainly did not bring the shows out along with complementary schematics, so all technical facts, beyond size (which is ussually given, or can be figured out by comparing relative objects) are generally pure bunk. Which is why I think arguing from what is said is better: fine, include novels and such, but techincal info? Please.
And from what I have seen, the Empire is incompetent as hell Go Teddy Bears!
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Jon Miller
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quote:
Originally posted by GePap
Which is why I don;t like "canon": the people who made these shows were not physists for the most part, and thye most certainly did not bring the shows out along with complementary schematics, so all technical facts, beyond size (which is ussually given, or can be figured out by comparing relative objects) are generally pure bunk. Which is why I think arguing from what is said is better: fine, include novels and such, but techincal info? Please.
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nothing in the movies of startrek or starwars is at all possible in the laws of physics we know
you guys are arguing about fantasy
(which is ok, but don't be thinking that reality has any place in it)
Jon Miller
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:29
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quote:
Originally posted by GePap
It also gives a minor illustration of why I do think SW fans are unrelaistic: a regular ISD is big, but smaller than a Shadow Dreadnaught. When the site Boris quotes states how absurdly high the power ratings of B5 weapons which are given are, just imagine, as I said, that the quoted power output of a single battery of turbolasers is supposed to be much greater than that, and we are told a ISD has 144 of them....... A bit of a problem, no?
Which is why I don;t like "canon": the people who made these shows were not physists for the most part, and thye most certainly did not bring the shows out along with complementary schematics, so all technical facts, beyond size (which is ussually given, or can be figured out by comparing relative objects) are generally pure bunk. Which is why I think arguing from what is said is better: fine, include novels and such, but techincal info? Please.
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You just aren't listening, are you? Do you often have these arguments with yourself?
I posted those numbers to show a simple thing, really: ALL SciFi stuff is unrealistic. You're whining about SW being more unrealistic (in your opinion). But that doesn't matter, because they're all unrealistic. The entire point of these debates is entertainment, and once again you make them unfun by crying foul about the very rules of such debates. Deriving technical conclusions from what is seen on the screen is precisely the point of the arguments. Otherwise, there's no basis for any claims of power, strength, size, etc.
Go away if you don't like it.
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WRangler Rhymer
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Since I could only vote for one, I would like to make it know that would also like to teach N. Korea a lesson, and make a alliance of world into an Intersteller Empire.
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WRangler Rhymer
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edit sorry double post
Last edited by WRangler Rhymer on 28-07-2003 at 05:00
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:29
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The point that the site Boris pointed out made was that many of the numbers given for power outputs are just simply astronomically absurd. Finem I understand tech levels are more important to how poweful: the Earth Class Omega destroyers are huge (bigger than an ISD), bigger than a Vorlon Cruiser or a Mimbari cruiser, but the Vorlon and Mimbari ships would decimate the Earth shis, since they are tech-backward, as big as they are. The thing is, since the Vorlons have showed the ability to blow up planets with less space than the Empire (compare the Vorlon planetkiller to the Death Star), I would assume a Vorlon ship of the size of an ISD to be as powerful, perhaps more.
I don;t get why the empire goes for lots of turrets and such for small burst: seems very inefficent to me. Why not go with fewer but more powerfull blasts or Beams?
I also like about that site that it has Robotech ships: I love Robotech (have all 21 books and the sentinel series), but the "science" in it is trully absurd: yeah, cold fusion derived from a plant (OK....).
Still, the Zentraedi fleet would sweep the empire away like so much junk (6 million ships plus baby! 14 billion battlepods at least). Interestingly, no planet killers.
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Jon Miller
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quote:
Originally posted by GePap
The point that the site Boris pointed out made was that many of the numbers given for power outputs are just simply astronomically absurd. Finem I understand tech levels are more important to how poweful: the Earth Class Omega destroyers are huge (bigger than an ISD), bigger than a Vorlon Cruiser or a Mimbari cruiser, but the Vorlon and Mimbari ships would decimate the Earth shis, since they are tech-backward, as big as they are. The thing is, since the Vorlons have showed the ability to blow up planets with less space than the Empire (compare the Vorlon planetkiller to the Death Star), I would assume a Vorlon ship of the size of an ISD to be as powerful, perhaps more.
I don;t get why the empire goes for lots of turrets and such for small burst: seems very inefficent to me. Why not go with fewer but more powerfull blasts or Beams?
I also like about that site that it has Robotech ships: I love Robotech (have all 21 books and the sentinel series), but the "science" in it is trully absurd: yeah, cold fusion derived from a plant (OK....).
Still, the Zentraedi fleet would sweep the empire away like so much junk (6 million ships plus baby! 14 billion battlepods at least). Interestingly, no planet killers. |
different technology andusing different means
just because the Vorlons are better at blowing up planets, does not mean that they are better at blowing up ships
Jon Miller
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