31-07-2003 09:50									#61
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Yes, I am very interested in this game.

Two suggestions:
Easier game. Monarchy level, standard, 8 civs. I forsee a ton of instructions due to individual mayors.

I can suggest a grid system, perhaps centered on the capitol, or the middle of the map. This is an example from CFC's DG2...



I owned the tile at Bohemia A-3. The City of Valhalla was at J-10, etc.

Last edited by Octavian X on 31-07-2003 at 09:57

	31-07-2003 18:12									#62
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Hello I'm back.

From my playing around:
PlayerTable: Name, Password, Cash

TileTable:
I don't like the idea of holding what a tile outputs. Instead I propose we hold the terrain type, all improvements, and any specials on the tile. That way we can compute in real time given our government how much is actually produced, and any bonuses anything gets due to special resource types (meat? mmm). Also needed are tags for Owner, ForSale, and ForAuction.

Bid Table: TileID, Owner (of Bid), Amount (Max)
Debt Table: Owner (of debt), [unamed] (debt owed to..), Amount (duh), Interest Amount, Interest Start (turn/time/etc?)

Building Table, City table I haven't bothered with yet.

The way Octavarian X suggestions would work for automatically recognizing clumps of owned tiles if they are all contained in the same region.


My idea for auction is that people place a max bid. The system can enter a default bid for the minimum amount. Maybe the system would increment in $25, and the same way ebay works, it goes up to $25 below the 2nd highest bid. Now whether we want to keep bid history private or public, I need feedback on.


I'm not at all kidding when I say what I've done so far is loosely thrown together garbage. It's perfectly usable, however. After work today I'll clean it up and upload it to the account.

	31-07-2003 18:59									#63
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Could we use numbers for both grid descriptions?

Thus each grid would be ###,###.

This way we could add new grids as it expands by carrying out the number either smaller or larger. My concern with letters is that there isn't a negative value of a letter. We could use -34 in programs but -F?

That should be possible to be checked for touching:

224, 224 will be adjacent to 224, 225 / 224, 223 / 223, 224 and 225, 224.

	31-07-2003 20:13									#64
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Isn't there an option to have coordinates IN GAME, even?

so the game would tell you a square was 125,130 or whatever?

(perhaps I am mixing up a different game here....)

	31-07-2003 21:30									#65
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx Isn't there an option to have coordinates IN GAME, even? so the game would tell you a square was 125,130 or whatever? (perhaps I am mixing up a different game here....)

UnOrthO, can I put your name on the list of people interested in this? I realize you have the Spook House coming up so your time is limited right now.

I think Civ2 had the grid coord display option, but I haven't found it in Civ3.

	31-07-2003 21:32									#66
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UnOrthOdOx - I believe we've tried to do that before. I don't have a perfect yes/no. There's always a possibility that there is an INI flag that can be set which is completely undocumented. Or maybe it is documented and no one bothered looking it up..

We can use anything at all for grid coordinates. Letters, numbers, words. We could have a coordinate [Cheese_Village, Four_North, Three_East]. Wouldn't suggest, however. The worst that we'd have to do is simply "select * from tiles where x=5 and y = 345" for instance (a mysql query). The only problem is iding squares.

One sure-fire way of doing it is deciding our capital is (0,0), and just working from there, with screen shots with coordinates added in.

	31-07-2003 21:36									#67
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Whatever is easiest (and therefore less buggy) for you programmers.

	31-07-2003 22:04									#68
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Okay, what I've come up with so far;

code:

PLAYER DATA
Name
Rank (Peerage aka Baron, Earl, or whatever)
Food Stock
Shield Stock
Commerce Stock
*and so on, will need to keep track of all the various resources and finished goods also.

code:

TILE DATA
X Coordinate
Y Coordinate
Food Production
Shield Production
Commerce Production
Resource Tag
Owner

code:

CITY DATA (similiar to TILE DATA)
X Coordinate
Y Coordinate
Food Production
Shield Production
Commerce Production
Resource Tag
Mayor
Pop

code:

BUILDING DATA
X Coordinate
Y Coordinate
Type
Owner
Name

code:

OFFICE DATA
Office
Holder (Player Name)

	31-07-2003 22:27									#69
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I think we should have a table of stocks, instead of having different kind of stocks as a part of the player.

This way we could add stocks whenever we want of any time, and it would be easy to treat them differently.

	31-07-2003 22:43									#70
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Will that allow us to show the status when they log in?

I'm thinking that once the player logs on, it gives them their Household screen. Say, up at the top it lists their total stockpiles of all the resources including what was produced at the beginning of this turn (21 Food, 17 Shields, 6 Iron, 18 Commerce.....), then has a line list of their various properties. On each tiles line it could have a button to click if you wish build something on that tile, say a Brewery. It would then offer you labor choices, say Vassals, and then list each city that tile is in the radius of so you could click to attempt to hire labor from those cities.

Some buildings will need to hold stock, for example a Brewery needs to hold the alcohol it produces as it can only sell it to cities it is in the radius of.

	31-07-2003 22:55									#71
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$stocks = mysql_query( "select * from stockpiles WHERE owner=[username] );
Then loop through $stocks and display each with their name and amount.

The way I am suggesting to do things will take more CPU time, but make for easier code all around. It could be done in a way to take less time and more storage space, but that would also make for longer and therefore more complicated code. I'm also a very object oriented person so I prefer this way as it sets that stocks are not a piece of a player. Additionally we can do analysis of all owned stock or what have you to set prices in real time.

	01-08-2003 00:55									#72
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i'm going to be gone all night, so dont flip if you don't hear from me. you wont.

	01-08-2003 01:01									#73
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Aaack! Where's Uber Krux?!?!

We're all gonna die!!!!!

	01-08-2003 01:51									#74
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Yeah add me to the list, but Ill need a...spokesman...to start out and run my estates if you guys get this off the ground before November (I sure hope so)

	01-08-2003 21:35									#75
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Added you to the list. Added title images to the first couple of posts. Will break down building and other markets later today.

Should rank be unavailable before Feudalism? Say tile limits are nonexistent before Feudalism and then once we achieve it we have a special turn for people to consolidate holdings into territories before we continue on?

Any ideas on adding a Religious Rank structure on the achievment of Monotheism?

With Abbots, Bishops, and Cardinals?

Maybe pattern it after the Feudal one, with the $ cost higher but no unit requrement.

	01-08-2003 21:50									#76
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Not sure what the religious rank would be effect by, or effect. I suppose building religious building and donations..

If you want to start making images, or think up more in page layouts, go right ahead. I'm guessing a standard left-side menu table view.

	01-08-2003 21:56									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Epistax Not sure what the religious rank would be effect by, or effect. I suppose building religious building and donations.. If you want to start making images, or think up more in page layouts, go right ahead. I'm guessing a standard left-side menu table view.

Well, I'm not as familiar with religious title structure but in real life Cardinals and Bishops held territory and were just as involved in political structure.

Cardinal Richelieu of France comes to mind.

	01-08-2003 22:57									#78
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Here in america we put out religous men where they belong.

In jail for touching boys.



* Epistax runs away really quickly

	02-08-2003 00:49									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Epistax Here in america we put out religous men where they belong. In jail for touching boys. * Epistax runs away really quickly

Hey, it was my state's former Governor who was in charge of that investion.

Up to the point that the Catholic Church decided they didn't want justice, they just wanted a cover up.

But this is a topic for the Off-Topic forums........

I'm going to do some research on Religious Hierarchy this weekend. When do you think you'll have a basic system we can do some testing with? I figure we can run some tests through it over a couple of days with a simple made up game to try and catch bugs and once we have it nice and pretty we can kick this sucker off.

	02-08-2003 02:25									#80
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I would be very interested in this as well

	03-08-2003 08:36									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master I would be very interested in this as well

Added you to the list.

I am going to make a illustrated example of the territory concept. Is there any way we can generate a random number or result with this software you are using?

I think it would be cool if we could hold jousts and such with Player's champions. If we could add a random element we could give them stats based on how well they did, and pit them against one another.

	03-08-2003 10:55									#82
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Damn, this whole thing is beginning to sound a lot like the CFC's DG2 RPG (except we didn't have the good sense to try to automate the process. ) Systems were set up to allow for tile purchase, the creation of businesses, etc. Players participated in occasional tournaments where their skills decieded the outcome (these skills were also well-recorded). You could even raise an army, invade your neighbor, and take their land.

Of course, this system was extremely complex, so I doubt it could be replicated in it's entirety. Still, I hope it serves as a place for new ideas and the like. This is the old ruleset, and this is the archived forum.

Ahh, to remember the days when I was High King of Fanatika, King of Doughnutia, Duke of Augusta, Count of St. Mark's Point, Baron of St. Johns' Land, and Knight of the Cedar...

	08-08-2003 16:48									#83
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Epistax and Uber, how do I download and install the Apache server to my computer so I can try to learn it? The Apache download pages are broken into bits and pieces and I can't find documentation telling me exactly which files I need to download and how to install them.

EDIT: Nevermind, I found a tutorial website that had instructions.

Only now I can't download PHP as there appears to be no funtional source to download from.

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	08-08-2003 18:34									#84
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There's one php which should be very small, and specifically for win32 users who don't have a clue. I suggest that one (that's the one I got

	08-08-2003 18:39									#85
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But its a dead link.

	12-08-2003 08:21									#86
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THIS IS NOT DEAD. I just have too many other things on my plate to start learning how to do all this programming from scratch right now. After I knock out some of my other projects I will start trying to figure out this programming stuff if Epi and Uber don't return.

	27-08-2003 22:09									#87
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We will hopefully start the game THIS WEEKEND in this thread.

	28-08-2003 03:55									#88
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Another forum?

	28-08-2003 04:18									#89
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I somehow doubt it would be easy to get a forum for this game on Poly

	28-08-2003 07:53									#90
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Never seen that other forum before.. suppose I need to register there. Anyway, as I understand it we (again) have no webserver, so things will have to be done on paper for now.