31-07-2003 00:40									#1
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Well, Bush has just elevated himself to Public Enemy #1 in the Gay Community. Also, pay special attention to the bolded section...

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Bush Shuns Calls to Legalize Gay Marriage
Wed Jul 30,11:42 AM ET

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) said Wednesday he has government lawyers working on a law that would define marriage as a union between a woman and a man, casting aside calls to legalize gay marriages.

"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman and I believe we ought to codify that one way or the other and we have lawyers looking at the best way to do that," the president said a wide-ranging news conference at the White House Rose Garden.

Bush also urged, however, that America remain a "welcoming country" — not polarized on the issue of homosexuality.

"I am mindful that we're all sinners and I caution those who may try to take a speck out of the neighbor's eye when they got a log in their own," the president said. "I think it is important for our society to respect each individual, to welcome those with good hearts."

"On the other hand, that does not mean that someone like me needs to compromise on the issue of marriage," he added.

Bush has long opposed gay marriage but as recently as earlier this month had said that a constitutional ban on gay marriage proposed in the House might not be needed despite a Supreme Court decision that some conservatives think opens the door to legalizing same-sex marriages.

The Supreme Court struck down a Texas law that made homosexual sex a crime, overturning an earlier ruling that said states could punish homosexuals for having sex.

Conservative Justice Antonin Scalia (news - web sites) fired off a blistering dissent of the ruling.

The "opinion dismantles the structure of constitutional law that has permitted a distinction to be made between heterosexual and homosexual unions, insofar as formal recognition in marriage is concerned," Scalia wrote. The ruling specifically said that the court was not addressing that issue, but Scalia warned, "Do not believe it."

Rep. Marilyn Musgrave, R-Colo., is the main sponsor of the proposal offered May 21 to amend the Constitution. It was referred on June 25 to the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution.

To be added to the Constitution, the proposal must be approved by two-thirds of the House and the Senate and ratified by three-fourths of the states.

	31-07-2003 00:46									#2
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So, what's your point on the bolded and I am sure he is losing sleep over those people's votes.

	31-07-2003 00:47									#3
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	31-07-2003 00:54									#4
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs "I am mindful that we're all sinners and I caution those who may try to take a speck out of the neighbor's eye when they got a log in their own," the president said.

Bush was probably just saying that since we are all sinners, we should not go around calling gays sinners.

Of course, Bush probably should have clarified what he meant since it is not very obvious.

	31-07-2003 00:55									#5
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But marriage between strangers on tv based on viewers votes is perfectly legal.

	31-07-2003 00:56									#6
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This is stupid, but the expression remains rather blurry to me.

	31-07-2003 00:56									#7
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Well, Bush is wrong, but I didn't expect anything less from him. Still, we shall overcome. Not me personally, but the gay rights movement in any case

	31-07-2003 00:58									#8
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"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman and I believe we ought to codify that one way or the other and we have lawyers looking at the best way to do that," the president said a wide-ranging news conference at the White House Rose Garden."

Well, gee, it is codified that way, considering neither the U.S. government nor any state government has legalized gay marriage. Duh, George!

	31-07-2003 00:59									#9
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Bush

Thank God Bush is protecting marriage, the world is much safer now indeed!!!!!

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	31-07-2003 01:01									#10
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	31-07-2003 01:23									#11
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quote: Bush Shuns Calls to Legalize Gay Marriage

Why is it his job to intrude on what is essentially a state matter?

	31-07-2003 01:29									#12
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Marriage is a contract between two individuals or two individuals and their religion. The state has no business telling these people who they can or can't marry.

	31-07-2003 01:30									#13
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Well if you want gay marriages then you are going to have to pay the same taxes as you would in a normal marriage.

	31-07-2003 01:32									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia Marriage is a contract between two individuals or two individuals and their religion. The state has no business telling these people who they can or can't marry.

The states have no business regulating contracts?

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ok i must now say that everbody that says:' bush ' or something like that in this thread (or any other) is a god damn ********* ***** *** ****** ***** ****!

	31-07-2003 01:37									#16
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quote: The states have no business regulating contracts?

Thats right, as long as the contract is consensual.

	31-07-2003 01:38									#17
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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword ok i must now say that everbody that says:' bush ' or something like that in this thread (or any other) is a god damn ********* ***** *** ****** ***** ****!

Why? I find it refreshing to see a pol refuse to do something he has no power to do in the first place.

	31-07-2003 01:40									#18
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quote: Why is it his job to intrude on what is essentially a state matter?

Except for minor things like the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.

	31-07-2003 01:41									#19
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because marriage is something between two people who love each other...it is not a church thing or something like that...it is just a union (reinforced by law) between two people...who cares if it is two guys or two girls?

	31-07-2003 01:43									#20
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I think anybody that has read and lives by Leviticus 18 cares...

But unless you are an orthodox Jew that follows Mosaic law you might not have a care...

	31-07-2003 01:44									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Except for minor things like the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.

That still doesn't change the fact that the 50 governors have more say in what people were asking Bush to do, unless of course you actually believe that the Federal government was well within its rights to pass the Defense of Marriage Act.

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Shrub has a responsibility to enforce the Constitution. That includes the equal protection clause of the 14th. That doesn't happen with the Defense of Marriage Act. That doesn't happen with leaving everything up to the states.

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Shrub has a responsibility to enforce the Constitution.

The difference between us is that I believe that he is doing just that by keeping his nose out of it. If you want gay marriage, the states are the correct venue to seek redress.

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Why? Why shouldn't the equal protection clause apply to marriage?

If Mississippi said that interracial marriages are illegal, do you think that the feds shouldn't do a thing?

	31-07-2003 02:02									#25
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What Bush says in the bold line means something like:
"I say that gay-people aren't bigger / smaller sinners than anybody else thus I want to make sure that nobody should judge gay people on their sins since we are all sinners"

I think nobody but orthodox christians / jews can be against that. I don't see how any pro-gay mariage can hate that line. But that's pherhaps because it's biblical language people don't understand.

quote: ok i must now say that everbody that says:' bush ' or something like that in this thread (or any other) is a god damn ********* ***** *** ****** ***** ****!

I'm happy to see that you don't care about the most important values of democracy.
Everybody can have an opinion and the opinion of the majorigy rules.

I am against gay-mariage myself, not because it's against my believe (I am a christian) but because I think it's plain stupid to alter the tradition of mariage that has lasted for millenia just in a few years.

Why can't we have mariage for man and woman, as it has been all those years?

What's the problem for gays to have a different way of living together?
Why does it all have to be the same?
Equality doesn't equal "being exactly the same".

But I guess nobody wants to listen to that in this "I demand my rights" obsessed world.

	31-07-2003 02:07									#26
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy What's the problem for gays to have a different way of living together? Why does it all have to be the same? Equality doesn't equal "being exactly the same". But I guess nobody wants to listen to that in this "I demand my rights" obsessed world.

Why should they listen when it is they who are being denied hospital visitations, inheritences, adoptions, spousal benefits, funerary planning rights, etc?

	31-07-2003 02:08									#27
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quote: I'm happy to see that you don't care about the most important values of democracy. Everybody can have an opinion and the opinion of the majorigy rules.

well CS....i believe that people can think and say what they think...but i believe they are wrong...

quote: What's the problem for gays to have a different way of living together? Why does it all have to be the same? Equality doesn't equal "being exactly the same".

what is wrong with two guys or two girls to get marriage just like other people do? you look at it one way and i look at it the other way

	31-07-2003 02:09									#28
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Yes, since much of the US prohibited interracial marriages for much of the country's history, I think we should bring back this prohibition. This isn't about hatred of minorities, it's just an expression of my love for history and tradition.

	31-07-2003 02:10									#29
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quote: *********

So what profanity has nine letters anyway?

	31-07-2003 02:11									#30
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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword ok i must now say that everbody that says:' bush ' or something like that in this thread (or any other) is a god damn ********* ***** *** ****** ***** ****!

BAD... VERY BAD.

Let's keep civil folks...

And DeathbyTheSword... I recommend you check your PM's... Quickly... because the clock is ticking...