01-08-2003 18:52									#31
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The only thing I'm hoping, is that God has a sense of humor.
If not, and I find myself burning beside Sava, I'll know I'm really in Hell.

	01-08-2003 18:53									#32
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand The only thing I'm hoping, is that God has a sense of humor. If not, and I find myself burning beside Sava, I'll know I'm really in Hell.

That's okay, if I had to bet, I'd say there isn't one.

	01-08-2003 18:54									#33
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You are betting, Stupid.

	01-08-2003 18:55									#34
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as long as Heaven (or hell) as a internet connection to poly

	01-08-2003 19:00									#35
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Maybe it does and that's why you can post now

	01-08-2003 19:02									#36
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To spend eternity in the purgatory that is Off Topic!

	01-08-2003 19:02									#37
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I think the Moderator's should combine this thread with The Barbeque thread.

	01-08-2003 19:03									#38
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i don't know about you suckers, but i'm aiming high.

i'll be getting into purgatory, if everything goes right.

	01-08-2003 19:04									#39
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oh that is way my neighbours all have tails and horns....oh no wait...i just live on a farm

	01-08-2003 19:05									#40
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You are betting, Stupid.

nah, remember... I'm the one "eating from the tree of knowledge". I'm defying "God's will" by choosing not to be an ignorant believer.

	01-08-2003 19:06									#41
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No. Even though I can't prove it.

	01-08-2003 19:55									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I don't know. I'd like to know... maybe... the fact is, nobody knows or doesn't know. Religious fundies are wrong, as are hardcore atheists... but the former are much more obnoxious.

It's strange, first you say that you don't know,
and later you add that you do know that 'fundies' are wrong and 'hardcore atheists' are wrong as well.......

	01-08-2003 19:58									#43
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Sava never made a claim of consistency, leave him alone.

	01-08-2003 19:59									#44
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I wanna know who 'Worries beacuse they don't know'? Thats one hell of a way to go through life!

	01-08-2003 20:01									#45
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There's a difference in proclaiming the truth and pointing out who is probably wrong and undoubtedly ignorant.

	01-08-2003 20:02									#46
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That's called "having an opinion".

	01-08-2003 20:09									#47
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand That's called "having an opinion".

Yup... unfortunately for you, my opinion is based upon fact and common sense, rather than fundamentalism...

	01-08-2003 20:12									#48
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Maybe, but if God does exist, clearly the Deist view is the most apparently truthful one, since God does not seem to be manifesting himself in our world. I am skeptical about the existence of any supernatural beings, be they gods, demons, elfs, pixies, easter bunnies, tooth fairies, Santa Clauses, etc.

I am certain particular Gods as described in various religious myths do not exist, be they Zeus, Wotan, Thor, Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, Osiris, Mithra, Zoraster, Isis, Marduk, Quetzelquatl, Brahma, etc.

Put me in the "don't know, don't care" category. I don't care because it is evident that belief in some god has no quantifiable impact, so whether I believe or not isn't going to change what happens.

	01-08-2003 20:16									#49
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It changes what happens to you, Boris.

	01-08-2003 20:22									#50
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand It changes what happens to you, Boris.

No, it doesn't. If you take an empiric look at the world, rather than focusing on your narrow personal experience, you'll note that there are a huge number of religious beliefs across the world, not to mention a lack of it. Were you to assess the life qualities of all these people, it would show that religious belief has little to no effect on how people live in their respective areas. An atheist in NYC is likely to live a similar life to a Christian in NYC, as an atheist in Texas is likely to live a similar life to a Christian in Texas (not counting, of course, facing discrimination from other humans). There is no evidence of any divine intervention or effect on the lives of adherents vs. non-adherents, nor of adherents of one faith vs. adherents of another. There is a lot of emotional speculation, but it's just that--speculation.

	01-08-2003 20:24									#51
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Does god exist? Yes, I do.

	01-08-2003 20:26									#52
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Boris: he's talking about what happens after you die.

	01-08-2003 20:28									#53
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Boris: he's talking about what happens after you die.

That would have even less substantiation.

	01-08-2003 20:28									#54
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It's like taking out insurance (see my first post)

	01-08-2003 20:30									#55
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever It's like taking out insurance (see my first post)

"Pascal's Wager" has already been shown to be philosophical rubbish.

	01-08-2003 20:30									#56
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Ok, Boris.
Usually I say I don't care, but I really hate to think of you being a crispy critter.

	01-08-2003 20:33									#57
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Ok, Boris. Usually I say I don't care, but I really hate to think of you being a crispy critter.

That's okay, if God is going to punish me for not believing him, then he shouldn't be worshipped anyways, for such a God is not fair and good.

	01-08-2003 20:34									#58
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Yeah I believe God exists. If someone has a problem with it, don't take it on me.

And as for atheists, what is the point of all that proving?
If you are so sure you're right, then be happy that you have it right and the other fools are wasting their time.
I don't try to convert you, don't try to convert me.

	01-08-2003 20:35									#59
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Which god is going to punish me for not believing in him? Yahweh, Allah, Osiris, Zeus, Vishnu? I can't worship them all! There are only so many hours in the day...

	01-08-2003 20:36									#60
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quote: I don't try to convert you, don't try to convert me.

That's the way I'd like it, but too many damn fundies are trying to force god down our throats. Religious references should not be in government at all. Until that happens, I'll continue my combative attitude towards religion.