12-08-2003 03:49									#1
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In the last elections the booming suburbs if Minneapolis-St. Paul helped my state elect a republican Senator and Governor. Minnesota has historically been very liberal (and had a lot of communists in the early 1900's). What happened to the days of Humphry and Mondale? Has Minnesota become another victim of the reactionary BS of the Neo-Cons? we were one of the US's most progressive states untill the last decade. Why are suburbanites falling for conservatism?

	12-08-2003 03:50									#2
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Since when was it not?

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Since when was it not?

Before Reagan.

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Exactly. Suburbia, is made for conservatives.

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because liberalism sucks

	12-08-2003 03:55									#6
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Bull, Odin... like Sloww said it's basically made for conservatives. I mean who lives there? People that work in the city (usually), but don't live there. That means they have money.

Personally, I love the suburbs . Big houses, lots of stores and commerce, plenty of trees.

	12-08-2003 03:56									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident because liberalism sucks

Hey, Libertarians are liberals too so you just dissed yourself.

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i would be a good thing if the US style of conservatism wasn't so dehumanised

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libertarians have two sides. A left-leaning side, and a right-leaning side.

I'm more of right-leaning side. Though I'm really not a libertarian at all, I'm a moderate in every category.

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Dissident, you are more like an Arnie Libertarian... as he calls it: Pragmatic Libertarianism. I'm somewhere around there as well, myself, but not as moderate as you .

	12-08-2003 03:59									#11
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Irman, Why are the inner-city people who are moving to the suburbs becoming conservative then.

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because after many years of liberal policies, people are beginning to realize- the inner cities still suck. billions of dollars, and no progress.

Crime rates are still out of control. Yes, I suppose if we gave people more money, they wouldn't commit these crimes. We've been hearing that a long, long time.

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quote: because liberalism sucks

You die now!

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becomming?

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quote: Why are the inner-city people who are moving to the suburbs becoming conservative then.

Ask yourself why are they moving into the suburbs? Is it to get away from the crime? Or would they rather buy larger plots of land? People of the more liberal persuasion perfer to live in the cities, near the 'pulse' of the city. Suburbs have always generally been populated by conservatives, many of them wishing to escape the city life.

After all, the first suburb (Levittown) was cookie cutter, all the same, 1950s sitcom like living. Very conservative indeed.

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quote: Originally posted by elijah You die now!

he doesn't know what he is talking about.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara becomming?

OK, Why ARE they conservative.

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all political ideologies suck. They always think they know everything, but they never consider what will happen beyond the next election and aren't willing to accept the facts.

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quote: Originally posted by The Andy-Man all political ideologies suck. They always think they know everything, but they never consider what will happen beyond the next election and aren't willing to accept the facts.

That is only the 2 main parties. The minor parties are much more forward thinking. The US has become an Oligarchy because the two main parties control the means of financing campaigns, they can't regulate who can run, but they con say who has a chance of winning or not. The one's they don't pick have to go independent, anfd they don't have the funds to compete with the big 2.

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quote: Originally posted by Odin That is only the 2 main parties. The minor parties are much more forward thinking. The US has become an Oligarchy because the two main parties control the means of financing campaigns, they can't regulate who can run, but they con say who has a chance of winning or not. The one's they don't pick have to go independent, anfd they don't have the funds to compete with the big 2.

yes, but this is the case in most electoral democracys, the nature of an electative system means that once a party starts getting in with a chance of actually doing well, it HAS to moderate and become more or less in line with the others simply to win the lection, but this happens over many years so that a parties ideals change gradually from a few activists with radical (but possibley good) ideas, to a party that has a serious (if not the biggest) voice in politics which needs to calsm down so as not to scare away the vast majority of voters - by this time they want to win, not be idealists or what ever.

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Humphrey is my great -grandpa (or is it great-great grandpa?).

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Suburbs are neither liberal or conservative, they are instead incredibly apathetic when it comes to politics. Tends to happen when you're isolated from the rest of the world.

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Hey Odin, I did it. I used to live in Eagan.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Hey Odin, I did it. I used to live in Eagan.

That town has too many rich, lazy, economic parisites.

	12-08-2003 05:47									#25
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quote: Why are suburbanites falling for conservatism?

They know a good thing when they see it.

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Some of the reasons are:

1-Taxes, suburban homes tend to be of greater value and thus have hefty property tax bills.

2-Schools, many urban school systems are at the mercy of the teachers unions which make it near impossible to get rid of teachers not making the grade. Many urban schools are run by school boards which are not directly elected, and are just high paying jobs handed out by the ruling party (usually Democrats). Suburban schools are dominated by the elected school boards and tend to take a narrow view of low test scores and pay scales not justified by the results.

3- Suburbanites are more likely to have worked hard to get what they wanted, thus have more invested and are more likely to take a dim view of those who consistantly rely on government instead of themselves to get ahead.

The third reason can also be used to explain why the children of suburbanites many times are liberal, Having been given everything by the parents, they see little value in working hard and think of the government as an extension of their parents, someone to get stuff from without any investment of effort on their part.

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Geez Odin, how many times do you need to read it? Because people see liberalism ruining city after city!

You want to destroy the burbs, you elitist troll, you CRIMINAL!

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No, no.. Berz, it's like:

You offer no solutions, you offer NOTHING! And then you want to destroy the suburbs? You... you criminal!

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That's right, Odin's imitation of Fez is far superior to my imitation of Odin imitating Fez.