12-08-2003 07:56									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer bah suburbia is the world of leftist white decadence... i think people in this thread are confusing small towns with suburbs... small towns and rural areas have always been very conservative... suburbs are much more liberal, being the haven of upper middle class professionals (lawyers et al) but the fact that they got families probably moderated them a bit.

Excuse me? most people in the rural area that I live in are democrats.

	12-08-2003 07:56									#62
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon he used the word tend.

So?

There are conservatives that are not religous.

	12-08-2003 07:56									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer why oh why is it that religious people tend to be conservative then?

Because the kind of religious people who tend to be conservative also tend to not be humanist (i.e. not care about humanity) and to not actually follow Buddha's and Jesus' Golden Rule.

	12-08-2003 07:57									#64
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So? There are conservatives that are not religous.

do u understand what "tend to be conservative" means?

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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Dissident, this may be hard for you to believe, but there are some people who: a) care about humanity b) realize the benefits of mutual altruism Fact is, liberals are happier than conservatives. Besides, being liberal has nothing to do with being against money. It's just that in a liberal society, you can buy more with less.

so by that token conservatives don't care about humanity. interesting.

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quote: So?

So, that means he's correct .

	12-08-2003 07:58									#67
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Because the kind of religious people who tend to be conservative also tend to not be humanist (i.e. not care about humanity) and to not actually follow Buddha's and Jesus' Golden Rule.

I thought WWII was when we stopped demonizing the opposing side.

	12-08-2003 07:59									#68
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon do u understand what "tend to be conservative" means?

Do you know what Slowwy or MTG would think if I used the statement:

"White Southerners tend to be racist?"

I'm betting they would take that as a prejudiced, over-generalized remark.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Do you know what Slowwy or MTG would think if I used the statement: "White Southerners tend to be racist?" I'm betting they would take that as a prejudiced, over-generalized remark.

if a majority of them were racist u would have a point. they indeed might be offended I dont know. there are a variety of politically incorrect things that carry truth even though they offend ppl.

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quote: Originally posted by yavoon if a majority of them were racist u would have a point. they indeed might be offended I dont know. there are a variety of politically incorrect things that carry truth even though they offend ppl.

ok -- I guess I see your point

	12-08-2003 08:01									#71
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Because most White Southerners aren't racist, at least these days .

Most religious people though are conservative. The most religious areas in the US are the ones that vote most solidly Republican after all. It doesn't mean all religious people are conservative, but they do tend to be.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Because most White Southerners aren't racist, at least these days . Most religious people though are conservative. The most religious areas in the US are the ones that vote most solidly Republican after all. It doesn't mean all religious people are conservative, but they do tend to be.

ok

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what about hispanics who are catholic? many of them are liberal.

well at least they are liberal until they live in the U.S. long enough to develop some sense

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident what about hispanics who are catholic? many of them are liberal. well at least they are liberal until they live in the U.S. long enough to develop some sense

I imagine conservatives and their anti immigration policies scare them.

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actually i posted about that before, dissident... according to a recent poll, hispanics are more likely to be against abortions and gay rights issues than the american population as a whole... and a majority supports bush and his tax cuts... most have no love for the republican party though...

i think i entitled the thread "Hispanics support Bush and his tax cuts"

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quote: Originally posted by yavoon I thought WWII was when we stopped demonizing the opposing side.

I thought so too until I came to this forum.

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right here, diss...

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...hlight=hispanic

some tid-bits...

quote: They were twice as likely to call themselves Democrats as Republicans, viewed the Democratic Party more favorably than the Republican Party and, by a margin of 49 percent to 21 percent, said the Democratic Party was more likely to care about the needs of Hispanics.

quote: They applauded tax cuts, calling them better economic policy than reducing deficits, and embraced the use of school vouchers. They were less likely than the population at large to support the legalization of homosexual relations between consenting adults. And 44 percent of Hispanics said abortion should not be legal, compared with 22 percent of non-Hispanics.

quote: Hispanics were evenly divided on the question of whether homosexual relations between consenting adults should be legal; among the general public, this position is supported by 54 percent to 39 percent.

quote: Hispanics approved of Mr. Bush's job performance 52 to 38 percent, while 54 percent said that he "cares about the needs and problem of people like yourself." By contrast, just 40 percent of Hispanics said they had a favorable view of the Republican Party, while 60 percent said they had a favorable view of Democrats

	12-08-2003 08:18									#78
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though i haven't seen such a poll, i'm sure a poll done on blacks and asians would clock similiar percentages in favour of conservative issues... whites on a whole have a tendency to be more socially liberal than non-whites and that can't be denied.

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Latinos tend to be conservative, but are democrats because the republicans panders to xenophobes.

Good info, AS.

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quote: Originally posted by Odin In the last elections the booming suburbs if Minneapolis-St. Paul helped my state elect a republican Senator and Governor.

Then there's still some hope for us, after all.

quote: What happened to the days of Humphry and Mondale?

People realized they wanted to have a little control over their lives, instead of having Big Walter breathing down our necks. Not only that, but it seems Minnesotans don't exactly like the politics of appeasement, anymore, either...

quote: we were one of the US's most progressive states untill the last decade. Why are suburbanites falling for conservatism?

Yes, Sharon Sales-Belton (former left-wing mayor of Minneapolis) was doing such a fantastic job in Minneapolis. There's nothing I love more than having beggars and thugs hanging around outside when I'm trying to take a freakin' walk.

Remember "Murderapolis?"

	12-08-2003 09:10									#81
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sharpe:

odin is a sheltered, suburban white boy... his parents probably refused to let him go into minneapolis

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quote: Originally posted by St Leo I thought so too until I came to this forum.

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer odin is a sheltered, suburban white boy... his parents probably refused to let him go into minneapolis

I go the cities often, numb-nuts! I am not suburban, either, I live in a small farming community. I like the North Woods and the Big City.

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North Woods? Big City? what does that mean?

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Economic and social liberalism/conservation aren't correlated even though the two-party system forces things to work that way.

Those who are rich tend to be economically conservative (because it helps them economically) but socially liberal (because they are often better educated).

Those who are poor tend to be socially conservative (religious reasons) but economically liberal (want government help).

It is puzzling why the two main parties aren't the Libertarians and the Fundamentalists.

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yeah i never understand that but you should mean Libertarians and Populists...

though it should be noted that one of the most successful third parties (aside from the GOP) was the Populists who in the late 19th century seemed to have a good chance of electing William Jennings Bryan but they couldn't mobilize the lower class vote for racial reasons (poor whites who were all for the populist cause otherwise refused to unite with their black brothers and when the party leaders sought black votes and sought to undo the beginnings of jim crow, the party lost nearly all their white support)

crabs in the barrel mentality destroyed populism

	12-08-2003 09:46									#87
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"Big City? what does that mean?"

That's sig material, there...

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cause i know he didnt just say Minneapolis, a city with a mere 382K people is the Big City... and who the hell calls something the big city anyway? i've never heard anyone except on tv (usually referring to NYC) call anything the big city

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Dude, taking words out of context is what sigs are all about!!!

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but both your signatures are completely taken in context