20-08-2003 23:30									#31
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That's bollocks too.

	20-08-2003 23:33									#32
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet That's bollocks too.

Don't make me sic the ghost of Stephen Jay Gould after you!

	20-08-2003 23:33									#33
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Oh it's good, but we've had better ones. You need to pay closer attention.

I tried to think of better ones, but no one comes from the top of my head.

Of course, there is the wonderful You provide no source thread, but it didn't started as such a troll

	20-08-2003 23:38									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Don't make me sic the ghost of Stephen Jay Gould after you!

It wasn't Gould who said it, though, it was a biologist, and he is quite correct--modern biology would not make sense without evolution, since biology has been built on the foundation of evolution since the 1940s.

	20-08-2003 23:40									#35
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The best ones are so effective they get quickly deleted by the mods. You've got be quick if you wanna catch 'em all!

	20-08-2003 23:44									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov It wasn't Gould who said it, though, it was a biologist, and he is quite correct--modern biology would not make sense without evolution, since biology has been built on the foundation of evolution since the 1940s.

I know, It was George Gaylord Simpson.

	20-08-2003 23:46									#37
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BTW, FP. Thanks to this thread I now know that not only you are gay, but you are a creationist as well

	20-08-2003 23:50									#38
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This reminds me... we haven't really had an active coffee shop thread for a long time. Maybe we can make this one but keep the disguise of a troll so that all the newbies will come here and we can **** with their minds?

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	20-08-2003 23:52									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Odin I know, It was George Gaylord Simpson.

Uh, no it wasn't. It was Theodosius Dobzhansky.

	20-08-2003 23:57									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Uh, no it wasn't. It was Theodosius Dobzhansky.

ACK! That is right, it was the fruit fly guy who said it. Why do I keep thinking it was Simpson.

	20-08-2003 23:59									#41
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It was Theodore Geisel.

	21-08-2003 00:02									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor BTW, FP. Thanks to this thread I now know that not only you are gay, but you are a creationist as well

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Oh shush you! You're just awful!

	21-08-2003 00:08									#43
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Well Spiffor, I know now you're a Hell-bound bollocks-bouncer.
So what ?

	21-08-2003 00:10									#44
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Well Spiffor, I know now you're a Hell-bound bollocks-bouncer. So what ?

You should feel enlightened

	21-08-2003 00:15									#45
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Someon please close this. It started off bad and only went downhill from there.

	21-08-2003 00:16									#46
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I think it has now become pretty fun

	21-08-2003 00:19									#47
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It was bullshit to begin with.
An ******* atheist started a troll thread, citing it as not a troll thread, then split.
Typical.

	21-08-2003 02:10									#48
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How do you know he's an atheist? Most of those who accept evolution are also theists. Heck, one of the primary operators of talkorigins.org is a gun-totin' Christian Texan Republican.

	22-08-2003 14:41									#49
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet quote: Creationism is a good example of mans need to rationalize what he does not understand into concepts he is familiar with and can control. Delete "Creationism" and add "Evolution" and that sentence would have equal validity.

Descent with variations from a common ancestor was definitely a new concept during old Chuck's days.

	08-09-2003 18:41									#50
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Actually, I'm a panathiest.

	08-09-2003 18:43									#51
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child Actually, I'm a panathiest.

What is this ? You believe in the presence of a no-God everywhere ?

	08-09-2003 18:49									#52
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I'm assuming he put the second "a" in there by mistake.
Anyway, you people need booze if you're gonna discuss a topic of this sensitivity. You should know that.

	08-09-2003 19:00									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor What is this ? You believe in the presence of a no-God everywhere ?

Yes... I suppose I do... but I did put the second 'a' there by mistake.

To me, the whole god-thing is an unnessesary waste of time clung to by people who hate the idea that nature is free, and beyond our ken.

	08-09-2003 20:43									#54
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Be careful guys, the creationists have money and are spreading their propaganda in our midst.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/3088444.stm

Our microbes are not safe.

	08-09-2003 21:04									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay In the real, peer-reviewed science of today, that is simply not true. Inferences can be made from observing physical phenomena, but no scientist worth his salt would ever attempt to prove anything as fact based on inconsistent/absent evidence. That's not science.

You have obviously never had first hand experience of peer review. It is not about 'is this a good piece of science'- it is more like 'hmm.... did he cite me? did he cite my friends? Do I like this person? Do I like their field?'.

I once had a paper completely rejected (ie. no chance of resubmission after alteration) by a referee who said it 'wasn't interesting'. No counter arguments - just that he/she didn't find it interesting. That very same paper, without modification, is now a 'top cite' paper (ie. it has been cited so much that it gets a special ranking) so obviously some people find it interesting.

	08-09-2003 21:26									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh You have obviously never had first hand experience of peer review. It is not about 'is this a good piece of science'- it is more like 'hmm.... did he cite me? did he cite my friends? Do I like this person? Do I like their field?'.

And that is infinitely more important than the quality of your paper!

	08-09-2003 21:32									#57
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV Be careful guys, the creationists have money and are spreading their propaganda in our midst.

Evil!

	08-09-2003 21:38									#58
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The problem with both approaches to the origins of existence is that they both attempt to prove or explain something which we do not understand and were not around to witness. Thus, they are both arbitrary standards. What makes the idea of evolution "better" is that it is more useful since this omniscient omnipotent being doesn't answer my calls.

	09-09-2003 00:08									#59
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child To me, the whole god-thing is an unnessesary waste of time clung to by people who hate the idea that nature is free, and beyond our ken.

I know I'm guilty of it too, but maybe you should try not to make collective judgments of a large group of people you never met based on one possible idea that may or may not be passing through their heads...it's not nice, no, but more importantly you can't really do anything with an idea based on so many unknown conditions being exactly as you think they might be. Trying to build on that sort of assumption is a tough, obnoxious habit to kick.

	09-09-2003 00:22									#60
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creationism...christians trying to be rational? oxymoron. once i met one that insisted that could prove the existence of heaven and hell based on the theory of alternate dimensions.another one tryed to prove that dinosaurs are still alive and are actualy demons.oh and heaven is a dome with windows through wich rain falls, earth is flat and is the center of the universe,god is a bearded man living in heaven/man acompanied by angels who eats beef and talks to abraham in person, a guy who's sons mate with the "daughters of humans" and gives birth to giants so its only logical that those guys would try to prove that he also created earth.with facts.lol! reading the old and new testament gives a man new insights to insanity.as do those texts trying to prove creationism.