27-08-2003 08:21									#121
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quote: When Charles Manson gets released, he can stay right next door to you.

The Chinese government has killed more people in the last 50 years than the Japanese have in their entire history. If the Japanese are Charlie Manson, then the Chinese are Mao Zedong.

	27-08-2003 09:30									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: When Charles Manson gets released, he can stay right next door to you. The Chinese government has killed more people in the last 50 years than the Japanese have in their entire history.

I seriously doubt that. If you asserted "caused to die," there might be a chance. "Killed," no.

quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten If the Japanese are Charlie Manson, then the Chinese are Mao Zedong.

1. Bad troll
2. Bad logic

	27-08-2003 09:34									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I seriously doubt that. If you asserted "caused to die," there might be a chance. "Killed," no.

Just because the bullet went through his skull doesnt mean I *KILLED* him...The bullet killed it. I just caused him to die

	27-08-2003 09:34									#124
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You mean starved? Come on, so starving someone is better than lopping off their head?

	27-08-2003 09:34									#125
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Is that a Chinese diferentiation? I thought "causing to die" was synonymous with "killing"

	27-08-2003 09:35									#126
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It's a subtle but useless distinction.

	27-08-2003 09:40									#127
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker You mean starved? Come on, so starving someone is better than lopping off their head?

Yep. It's slower and more painful.

	27-08-2003 09:51									#129
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker

Not intended to be a joke.

	27-08-2003 15:24									#130
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[quote]
I seriously doubt that. If you asserted "caused to die," there might be a chance. "Killed," no.[/quote

When you refuse to give people food and then work them to death then you are killing them. Don't try to white wash the Chinese Communist Party's attrocites.

The "Great Leap Forward" was one of the largest mass slaughters in the history of humanity and no one was ever punished for it.

	27-08-2003 15:40									#131
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Most Germans alive now weren't alive during WWII. Why should they apologise for something that happened before they were born?

	27-08-2003 15:53									#132
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Because they are Evil!

The proof is they refuse to share all of those blond haired hotties with the rest of us.

	27-08-2003 15:56									#133
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Is the real issue here that the Chinese government is criticising Japan because the Chinese don't want to admit that a proportion of their adult population are sufficiently greedy or stupid to mess with leftover chemical weapons? The Japanese can't dig up most of China to find the stuff and can't deal with it if the locals have already opened the drums instead of reporting them and leaving well alone.

As for Germany, I really wish the Germans would get their act together and go back to what they have done best for the last century or so - kicking French butt whenever French politicians get inflated ideas about their own importance and national capabilities. This is a German national right and an essential part of German self image since 1815.

	27-08-2003 16:40									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten The Chinese government has killed more people in the last 50 years than the Japanese have in their entire history.

This I seriously doubt. The Japanese routinely went on killing sprees whenever they had a chance.

As for the Chinese government, the vast majority of the millions who died during Mao's reign were killed by Mao's stupidity. That's quite different from the friendly and polite Japanese who went around deliberately raping and murdering people.

	27-08-2003 16:46									#135
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV As for Germany, I really wish the Germans would get their act together and go back to what they have done best for the last century or so - kicking French butt whenever French politicians get inflated ideas about their own importance and national capabilities. This is a German national right and an essential part of German self image since 1815.

I hope that a Cerberus Model V (with updated database) will be available soon.

	27-08-2003 16:49									#136
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT I hope that a Cerberus Model V (with updated database) will be available soon.

What features would you the customer like to see in the Cerberus Model V?

	27-08-2003 16:54									#137
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV Is the real issue here that the Chinese government is criticising Japan because the Chinese don't want to admit that a proportion of their adult population are sufficiently greedy or stupid to mess with leftover chemical weapons?

Blaming the victims, excellent rejoiner

quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV The Japanese can't dig up most of China to find the stuff and can't deal with it if the locals have already opened the drums instead of reporting them and leaving well alone.

It is just possible that the Japanese has a record of where they stockpiled their chemical weapons.

	27-08-2003 16:54									#138
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT I hope that a Cerberus Model V (with updated database) will be available soon.

No, the current model has satisfactory performance parameters and no further development is planned.

Seriously, the EU would be a better prospect if Germans were a little more outspoken and French politicians didn't come across as seeing the EU as an exercise in benefiting France and stuff everyone else.

That may be image rather than truth but presentation is usually the most important factor in politics.

BTW I am impressed with the restraint of your post Davout

	27-08-2003 17:09									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Blaming the victims, excellent rejoiner

So what does the Chinese government do to publicise the problem and encourage people to report such finds to the authorities?

quote: It is just possible that the Japanese has a record of where they stockpiled their chemical weapons.

Possible but unlikely. Retreating armies don't usually keep much in the way of records. What records were made were probably destroyed when the Soviets overran the Japanese in Manchuria. AFAIK nothing much was ever handed over to the post war Japanese government by the USSR.

	27-08-2003 17:27									#140
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV No, the current model has satisfactory performance parameters and no further development is planned. Seriously, the EU would be a better prospect if Germans were a little more outspoken and French politicians didn't come across as seeing the EU as an exercise in benefiting France and stuff everyone else. That may be image rather than truth but presentation is usually the most important factor in politics. BTW I am impressed with the restraint of your post Davout

The primary purpose of the EU is not to please to the rest of the world, it is for the nations within to be happy together. The whole Europe feels better when Germans and French are cooperating friendly. And we are doing so, and we are both doing our best to keep that close relationship.
Over time, it should not be excluded that some specialization was assigned to the members, and it is not impossible that the Germans find the outspoken French quite useful on certain subjects where the EU has specific interests to protect. You should not believe that the actual influence of Germany is proportional to their diplomatic noise; and you should not believe either that you would always like the effect of this influence.

	27-08-2003 17:44									#141
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT The primary purpose of the EU is not to please to the rest of the world, it is for the nations within to be happy together.

My point was specifically about the relationship between the member states of the EU.

Nations are never happy, people are either happy or not. Nations are devices to meet collective aspirations. If they succeed then the people in them are happy, if not, then not.

I like the implication that the French role in the EU is to shout loudly whilst the Germans get on with the real work.

	27-08-2003 17:54									#142
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quote: This I seriously doubt. The Japanese routinely went on killing sprees whenever they had a chance.

I'm not saying the Japanese weren't mass murderers. They certainly were. It's just really hard to top the Great Leap Forward.

quote: As for the Chinese government, the vast majority of the millions who died during Mao's reign were killed by Mao's stupidity. That's quite different from the friendly and polite Japanese who went around deliberately raping and murdering people.

Make excuses all you want, but millions of Chinese died because of Mao's leadership, just as surely as if they were killed by the Japanese. The Chinese might do well to reflect on their recent history while they lambast a Japanese government that has killed no one in the past 50+ years.

	27-08-2003 17:55									#143
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV Nations are never happy, people are either happy or not. Nations are devices to meet collective aspirations. If they succeed then the people in them are happy, if not, then not. I like the implication that the French role in the EU is to shout loudly whilst the Germans get on with the real work.

There is a figure of speech using the container in lieu of the content.

I decidedly think that the model V could incorporate some rethorical education module. :

	27-08-2003 17:57									#144
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quote: Just because the bullet went through his skull doesnt mean I *KILLED* him...The bullet killed it. I just caused him to die

I loved that one too, Tass.

Maybe the most absurd UR quote I've ever read (and that's saying something).

	27-08-2003 18:10									#145
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV Is the real issue here that the Chinese government is criticising Japan because the Chinese don't want to admit that a proportion of their adult population are sufficiently greedy or stupid to mess with leftover chemical weapons? The Japanese can't dig up most of China to find the stuff and can't deal with it if the locals have already opened the drums instead of reporting them and leaving well alone.

No the real point is Japanese Prime Minister Koizumi regularly visits the Yakusune (sp?) shrine to honour Japan's war dead and this infuriates China and other East Asian nations because the remains of many Japanese war criminals are kept there. It is also a favoured haunt of Japanese ultranationalists.

The Chinese government is using this case to remind Japan of the atrocities the Imperial Army committed in China. The poor man who found the mustard gas shell died a horrible death.

You people really need to learn to link the news together properly if you're ever going to understand international diplomacy

	27-08-2003 18:12									#146
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quote: Yakusune (sp?)

Yasukuni

	27-08-2003 18:14									#147
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That's the one

	27-08-2003 18:26									#148
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quote: The Chinese government has killed more people in the last 50 years than the Japanese have in their entire history. If the Japanese are Charlie Manson, then the Chinese are Mao Zedong.

oh, please, what is this supposed to prove?

the reason the rest of the asians are pissed at japan is not because the japanese killed their own people. the japanese killed other people.

if china had raped and killed hundreds of thousands in japan and korea in recent memory, you can bet the hatred would be sent their way too.

chinese killing chinese doesn't concern japanese or koreans. japanese killing koreans and chinese concerns koreans and chinese.

	27-08-2003 18:30									#149
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What makes things worse is Japan keeps trying to whitewash its war record. The Education Ministry is obsessed with re-writing and sanitising history in school textbooks. The whole country gives the impression of being in denial about Japan's role in the Pacific war.

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	27-08-2003 18:33									#150
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quote: oh, please, what is this supposed to prove?

Haven't you ever heard the phrase "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

More simply put, do you know what hypocrisy is?

quote: chinese killing chinese doesn't concern japanese or koreans. japanese killing koreans and chinese concerns koreans and chinese.

What about Chinese killing Koreans? Does that bother you, since the dead are part of your ethnic group? The Chinese were the last foreign nation to invade Korea, yet all your hatred goes toward the Japanese. Why is that?