18-09-2003 14:57									#91
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So now we know that the Knights Templar and the Statue of Zeus wonders are not scenario specific and will be in the main game, as well as the stealth attack and enslavement abilities !

quote: Q: Are features from the Conquest scenarios available in the main game? A: Since the Conquests are self-contained, many technologies, units, civilizations, and other features can be found only in a specific Conquest. For instance, the Sengoku Conquest features many Japanese structures, technologies, and other cultural icons specific to that time and place. That said, many features created for the Conquests were brought over to the Epic Game. Examples include abilities such as enslavement and stealth attacks, wonders such as the Knights Templar and the Statue of Zeus, and the unique units for each of the new civilizations.

	18-09-2003 17:58									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius So now we know that the Knights Templar and the Statue of Zeus wonders are not scenario specific and will be in the main game, as well as the stealth attack and enslavement abilities !

yes!!!

it would be a waste of programming some of these great features just for one scenario.

i'm sure all the mod-makers around will bring up some more good ideas with this

	18-09-2003 18:00									#93
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and to add:
i also hope the feudal-japan-scenario-functions are included in the main game too.

this progress of single units (daimiyos iirc) opens up a whole new world

	19-09-2003 04:55									#94
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The Pikeman we've seen in the previews is called a "Swiss Mercenary"and is probably the Dutch UU or otherwise a unit for one of the conquests.

	19-09-2003 10:00									#95
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It is probably a unit for the medieval scenario (my guess).

	19-09-2003 12:17									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius It is probably a unit for the medieval scenario (my guess).

There is a normal tech tree in the background of the statue screenshot, and the unit name is very generic. I bet it is a new core game unit

	19-09-2003 12:47									#97
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but I didn't see it until now, so here it comes:

In the developers update from civ3.com, the "The Making of 'Sengoku - Sword of the Shogun'" article contains several screenshots, including one that shows several items from a build-queue.

City improvements:

- Temple
- Archives (Library?)
- Local magistrate (courthouse?)
- Noh-Kyogen Theatre (Colloseum?)
- Fief establishment (I have no idea what this is)

Units:

- Swordsman: 2-2-1 (30 shields)
- Samurai spearman: 4-7-1 (50 shields)
- Siege Crossbow: 0(5)-0-1 (50 shields)
- Samurai Archer: 6(2)-3-1 (archer with bombard ability !!!) (40 shields)

Once again, these are specific to the 'Sengoku - Sword of the Shogun' japanese scenario. (except for the temple, that is).

It is interesting that the swordsman is 2-2-1. I wonder if this is only for this scenario??

Last edited by Tiberius on 21-09-2003 at 00:27

	19-09-2003 12:50									#98
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I forgot the screenshot:

Attachment: sengoku.jpg
This has been downloaded 346 time(s).

	20-09-2003 00:40									#99
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From the screenshots, one can see the following:

Families:

Takeda
Saito
Oda
Urakami
Date
Mogami
Mori
Imagawa

Technologies:

Sword-Smithing
Invention
Alphabet
Feudalism
Bushido

Luxuries:

Sake
Spices
Dyes
Silk
Furs
Incense
Gems
[Something that looks like Jade to me]

Resources:

Horses
Iron

	20-09-2003 14:59									#100
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update initial post? I was confused when I read it after glancing through the screenshots at civ3.com, especially as far as available conquest scenarios are concerned. good work anyway

	20-09-2003 19:00									#101
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CONFIRMED CAMPAIGNS
(from the latest Conquest screenshots)

Mesopotamia
Rise of Rome
Fall of Rome
Middle Ages
Mesoamerica
Age of Discovery
Sengoku: Sword of the Shogun
Napoleonic Europe
World War II in the Pacific

http://www.civ3.com/conq_screenshots.cfm?startimg=13

	20-09-2003 21:52									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius - Non-Kyogen Theatre (Colloseum?)

I hate to be nitpicky, and I know it is a little hard to read from the screenshot, but that should probably be Noh, not Non. Noh is a form of Japanese theatre.

	21-09-2003 00:29									#103
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Yeah, sure, it's Noh. I knew about Noh, but I've never heard of Kyogen, so that probably confused me.
Corrected.

	21-09-2003 00:48									#104
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Thanks guys for the update. I don't have much time these days, but I just updated the first post

Because of some heavy workload, I'll ask Ming to ban me from Apolyton for a short while. I don't know if I can still edit my posts while banned. ANyhow, if you want to include anything in the first post, please just write it here in a "first post" kind of way, and I'll copy/paste it in

	21-09-2003 03:31									#105
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quote: Because of some heavy workload, I'll ask Ming to ban me from Apolyton for a short while.

The sign of a true addict (with a little wisdom attached)!

	21-09-2003 08:23									#106
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aww... I wanted to be the first in poly history to request for a ban....

	21-09-2003 15:57									#107
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you're not the first

	21-09-2003 21:01									#108
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By the way that some kind of pikeman is confirmed as being a swiss mercenary.

	21-09-2003 21:14									#109
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now that's something i anyway don't understand.

i'm swiss, but i've never heard of swiss mercenaries defending the dutch?!? i only know there are some pseudo-bodyguards of the vatican and the pope (but they're more symbolical).

is there any dutch around here who can explain why, when and where?

	21-09-2003 21:46									#110
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check this out sabrewolf:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/s...uard/storia.htm

	21-09-2003 22:10									#111
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thanks, interesting

but still no sign of why foreign mercenaries are a UU. as shown it the text, these were used in france, vatican, spain and other places.

i mean, come on... the swiss airforce has F/A-18 (modified version of the F-18). that doesn't make it our UU, or does it?

	22-09-2003 00:25									#112
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who says it is a UU?

it could be a scenario unit

	22-09-2003 05:25									#113
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.......cant......wait.....must.....have..........conquests.....

	22-09-2003 05:47									#114
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Sabrewolf at your request:

the Swiss mercenaries became the most important economic link between the two allied republics (the Netherlands and Switzerland). At the end of the 18th century, 21.000 Swiss solders were stationed in the Netherlands (more than three times the figure of Swiss who live actually in the Netherlands). The Netherlands at that time became the second employer of Swiss mercenaries, after France.

"de Meuron Regiment": Swiss mercenaries employed by the Dutch from 1693 who defected to the British in 1795.

For a sum of 4000 Pound Sterling, professor Hugh Cleghorn of St. Andrew’s University of Scotland (During this period he was their secret agent, a master of espionage or in other words) manoeuvred Count de Meuron’s Corp of Swiss mercenaries to desert whom they were fighting for and switch over to the British.

The Swiss were on their (the Dutch) finest fighting arms and without them with their combatants lessened, they were left high and dry and finally without much of a fight, the Dutch capitulated to the British and the Swiss were with the victors, the British and were known as Regiment de Meuron.

Conclusion, it could be the dutch UU but it could also be an conquest unit.
But if we get them as an UU we have to watch our back cause they would change sides when they are offered a bribe.

	22-09-2003 23:05									#115
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Just another quick comment on the Dutch as they are shown in the first post: the leader should be King William, not King Williams (unless Firaxis made an error).

	23-09-2003 02:02									#116
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf thanks, interesting but still no sign of why foreign mercenaries are a UU. as shown it the text, these were used in france, vatican, spain and other places. i mean, come on... the swiss airforce has F/A-18 (modified version of the F-18). that doesn't make it our UU, or does it?

hi ,

, a swiss UU should be either mountain troops or them biking troops , ....

have a nice day

	23-09-2003 02:14									#117
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quote: Originally posted by panag , a swiss UU should be either mountain troops or them biking troops , ....

what???

well, if you would have read the thread it should be clear, that the swiss mercenaries should be the UU - if anything.

or a hellebardier, a replacement for the medieval infantry...

but now, back on topic

	23-09-2003 02:17									#118
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf what??? well, if you would have read the thread it should be clear, that the swiss mercenaries should be the UU - if anything. or a hellebardier, a replacement for the medieval infantry... but now, back on topic

hi ,

duh , subscribed since the second message , .....

more thinking about a current UU , ........

have a nice day

	23-09-2003 02:18									#119
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There isn't any swiss UU because there isn't a swiss civ The talk was about the dutch UU.

Btw, King Williams sounds nice. He'll fight against King McLaren, I suppose

	23-09-2003 18:42									#120
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From ugo.com (http://www.ugo.com/channels/games/f...civ3_conquests/)

quote: Or, later in the game, you might want to create a Secret Police Headquarters in your capitol, to downright wipe civil unrest off the map

I hadn't seen mention of this before. Cool.