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Pledge to U.S. AND Texas.

8-23, State: Texas students tackle new routine
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RICHARDSON — To 15-year-old Anna Russo, reciting the U.S. pledge of allegiance, the Texas pledge and observing a minute of silence with classmates each day just adds to the routine at school.

“It was like OK; we’re going to do this,” said the sophomore at Lake Highlands High School in Richardson, a Dallas suburb, whose school was already getting into the patriotic habit.

With the passage of the new state law that takes effect Sept. 1, students will have a few more daily requirements: observing a minute of silence and pledging allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags.

Russo, who started school Wednesday, pointed out that the Texas pledge — “Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible” — is nice and short.

“It’s kind of like trying to build the perfect citizen or whatever,” Russo said.

That may have been exactly what legislators had in mind.

“I felt like the minute of silence connected with the pledges allows the kids to think about the sacrifices that have been made to get them where they are,” said Rep. Dan Branch, R-Dallas, House sponsor for the bill.

While it’s fairly common for states to have laws requiring a moment of silence and recitation of the U.S. pledge, a state pledge is a different story, said Kathy Christie, vice president for the Education Commission of the States, a nonprofit, nationwide and nonpartisan education resource group based in Denver.

“I don’t know how many states have their own pledges, but Texas definitely is the first one we’ve heard about requiring the state pledge,” said Naomi Gittins, staff attorney for the National School Boards Association.

Students are excused from saying the pledges if they have a written request from their parent or guardian under the legislation.

“We all stand up and recite it,” said Avery Williams, a senior at Houston’s Lamar High School. “It’s been going great here. We haven’t had any rebellious kids here.”

Williams, 18, said that fellow students already were used to observing the minute of silence and reciting the U.S. pledge, so they just added the Texas pledge.

The pledge plays right into Texans’ well-known state pride.

“We’re all Texans,” Williams said. “We’re proud to be Texans. Even if you’re not from Texas, you’re here and we’re happy you’re here.”

Not everyone was as enthusiastic.

“Personally, it doesn’t really make a difference to me,” said 16-year-old Ryan Timms, a junior at Flower Mound High School, in the Dallas suburb of Flower Mound.

Timms, who moved to Texas from Indiana while in the fifth grade, said that last year his school observed a moment of silence and recited the U.S. pledge. He said he was familiar with the Texas pledge and had observed the fervent pride Texans have in their state.

“I know true Texans,” he said. “They have a lot of traditions and everything. I guess that’s just part of it.”

Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio, said that some schools were doing some of the new requirements, but not all three.

“My guess is that very few schools were doing the Texas pledge,” said Wentworth, who sponsored the bill in the Senate.

Wentworth said he believes the pledges and minute of silence are a beneficial way to start the day.

And the Texas pledge, of course, also helps build pride in the state.

“I’m a Texan and we believe we’re the best state in the union,” Wentworth said. “We’re a proud state. It adds to the loyalty and patriotism I believe the students in Texas should be encouraged to adopt.”

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Oh god. Just what the world needs, more ridiculous patriotic brainwashing.

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I disagree MikeH. Putting the minute silence on as well kind of helps people make up their own mind.

I can't see it ever catching on this side of the pond mind you.

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A pledge to Texas? smells awful lot like succecionism.. Ma, get me my musket..there some rebel huntin to be done!

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GePap, at least spell the word "secession" right.

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I disagree MikeH. Putting the minute silence on as well kind of helps people make up their own mind.

I can't see it ever catching on this side of the pond mind you.


The minute of silence is fine (although a bit pointless, no-one really thinks about what they are supposed to during them).

I know, if anyone suggested making pledges at our school we'd have laughed in their faces.

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stupid. i could understand it if it was in a state which has something to brag about, like, say, georgia.

texas ain't worth nothin'.

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Yeah, I've heard a lot of great things about Georgia.

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Well duh -- why do you think Imran moved to Atlanta?

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A pledge to Texas? smells awful lot like succecionism.. Ma, get me my musket..there some rebel huntin to be done!



I can always count on you having something blatantly bigotted to say.


BTW, Richardson was already letting Muslims out of class for an hour to face Mecca.


You people go ahead and show your ass some more.
I find it amusing.

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Hello pot, meet kettle.

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[QUOTE] Originally posted by SlowwHand

You people go ahead and show your ass some more.
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No thanks -- you're not my type.

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next they are going to start playing news reels in the auditorium featuring the faces of Osama Bin Ladin and Saddam Hussein (sp?). During those news reels they will play loud horrific noises, and eventually the kids will come to associate those faces with terror, but just before things get out of control Bush! will come up out of no where and assure the kids they are safe because they are working for a better future......

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GePap, at least spell the word "secession" right.


Someone who asks "ma" for a musket wouldn;t know how to spell it. It's called dramatic integrity.

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I can always count on you having something blatantly bigotted to say.


Yep, that's me the Texasbasher!

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and being forced to say the pledge is nice for brainwashing purposes, but as long as Im in school I will never say it when forced. If a teacher told me to say it or get a note from my mommy I would tell them to **** off, I say the pledge because I want to not because Im forced to.

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When I was in elementry school we said the pledge but middle school and high school is a bit late in the game to still be doing that dog and pony show.

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When I was in elementary school in Texas, we had prayer and the pledge of allegiance in every damn class. We all loved it - with a little work and practice, we could kill almost 5 minutes of classtime from every class without having to do schoolwork.

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Did you not have "Our last teacher let us out late"?

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Well, there is nothing wrong with minutes of silence. Every day we have one for Europe, one for France, one for the Region, one for the Departement, and one for the Commune.

But it is part of the home work. :

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A pledge to Texas? smells awful lot like succecionism.. Ma, get me my musket..there some rebel huntin to be done!


That's why you yankees cain't shoot straight. You're so whipped your mamas keep all the shootin' irons and you have to ask permission.

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When I was in elementary school in Texas, we had prayer and the pledge of allegiance in every damn class. We all loved it - with a little work and practice, we could kill almost 5 minutes of classtime from every class without having to do schoolwork.


In my primary school we all got to stand out in the yard and salute the national flag and sing the anthem..nice tune, but the words are a bit grandiose. Sadly, this happened outside of class, so you couldn't waste class time.

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That's why you yankees cain't shoot straight. You're so whipped your mamas keep all the shootin' irons and you have to ask permission.


We shoot very well, thank you very much -- does July 3 at Gettysburg ring any bells?

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Did you not have "Our last teacher let us out late"?


Couldn't use that one. In first and second grades, they kept us in the room, and moved the teachers around.

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That's why you yankees cain't shoot straight. You're so whipped your mamas keep all the shootin' irons and you have to ask permission.


So we will send our mamas to whip you guys good too!

Besides, shooting straight is vastly overrated: we don;t mind taking out a big chunk of the area either with massive and overwhelming firepower: it worked once before.

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Couldn't use that one. In first and second grades, they kept us in the room, and moved the teachers around.


Yeah, us too in the early years of school at secondary school we had to wander round loads though and there was 0 time allocated for transfering between classes, even though some were a good few minutes walk away.

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We shoot very well, thank you very much -- does July 3 at Gettysburg ring any bells?


Rang some of yours, since casualties on the day were roughly even after your brilliant Gen'l Killcavalry's ordered charge into Law's dug in position, despite y'all having a two to one advantage in troops engaged in the day.

But let us not jack this thread, there will be other times, I am sure.

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Yankees are as worthless as tits on a boar hog.

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Yankees are as worthless as tits on a boar hog.


Was this suppose to make me feel slighted?

pathetic attempt -- I just brush off whatever you Rebs want to throw at me

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Can someone translate this Southern American into American or preferably English?

 
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