30-08-2003 03:43									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I keep hearing Frenchmen mumble about this but all the US fast food companies keep having record years in Europe.

We are interested in the details (which make life different), and leave the gross food to specialists.

	30-08-2003 03:50									#62
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT There is nothing wrong in your not having enough taste to appreciate the difference between a parma ham from parma, and a parma ham for Chicago. You will even be happier with the later because it is a lot cheaper. But you can admit that some people make the difference and dont want to be misled by tags deliberately and purposely misleading. And they are purposely and deliberately misleading, otherwise why would their producers be so inclined to use misleading names?

Perhaphes I am not as decerning as you are Davout, but, if that is the case then why worry? Anyone who is so decerning will be able to tell the inferior product. Or are you afraid it is not so inferior?

In either case EVERYTHING has a national origin label. If they want the Italian made version they simply have to look on the label. As I totld you before we are talking about styles of cooking food not where food comes from so no one is being decieved. When you order "Mogolian Beef" or "Southern Fried Chicken" do you honestly expect beef from Mongolia or Chicken from the American south? Of course not because we are talking about the way food is cooked and not where it is cooked.

	30-08-2003 03:56									#63
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quote: The best thing I can say for the EU's trade office is that they are being money grubbing liars and hypocrates.

I really have no problem with this, it's the American way. My problems is that they are going about it the wrong way, and I thought European nations hated the capitalistic way...

	30-08-2003 03:58									#64
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Jesus, he is cooking parma ham ...

	30-08-2003 03:58									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I always hear the same pissing, whining, and moaning from Euros but in the end the American version sales 1000 times more bottles then the Euro version.

Not in Europe, huh?

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Some time ago I tasted a wine from California labeled as "Jerez".
It was... how can I say "puta mierda" in English? I mean it was really bad.

I think this can damage the good name of real Jerez wines which are exquisite.

	30-08-2003 04:23									#67
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It's an insignificant eccentricity of the EU with a neglible effect on the world economy. Even the rants about the 'tide' of anti-semitism are better than such craven whining.

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There are trash wines from every region. I don't think anyone would honestly dispute that California wines routinely win gold against the world's finest.

	30-08-2003 04:24									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I always hear the same pissing, whining, and moaning from Euros but in the end the American version sales 1000 times more bottles then the Euro version.

Yes, and McDonalds has a greater business volume than Kempinski. Your point is? Or are you really an adept of the principle, that quantity is the same as quality? By the way, we Euros should be thankful towards you Yanks. The more urine you swallow, the more beer remains for us.

	30-08-2003 04:30									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Yes, and McDonalds has a greater business volume than Kempinski. Your point is?

My point is that you ***** and moan but in the end you eat thousands, no millions, of those little burgers each day you little hypocrite. The end is the bottom line where Euros spend tremendous amounts of money buying and consuming the very things you claim are crap. Ergo, they most not be crap because the market place has valued them higher then your vaunted food. Whine all you want but your own people have voted against you with their money.

	30-08-2003 04:39									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin My point is that you ***** and moan but in the end you eat thousands, no millions, of those little burgers each day you little hypocrite. The end is the bottom line where Euros spend tremendous amounts of money buying and consuming the very things you claim are crap. Ergo, they most not be crap because the market place has valued them higher then your vaunted food. Whine all you want but your own people have voted against you with their money.

Of course, you know well that this is not the beginning of a demonstration that the parma ham must not be protected, particularly from those who think that it is cooked in the restaurant ...

BTW, how do you check the label in a restaurant?

	30-08-2003 04:40									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin There are trash wines from every region. I don't think anyone would honestly dispute that California wines routinely win gold against the world's finest.

Errh...maybe, but good or bad you should call it for his name. It would confuse people.

	30-08-2003 04:44									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin My point is that you ***** and moan but in the end you eat thousands, no millions, of those little burgers each day you little hypocrite.

Not a million, not thousands and not even one, you BAM. Mickey D's is a big no-no for me, it's not fast-food, it's fat-food.

quote: The end is the bottom line where Euros spend tremendous amounts of money buying and consuming the very things you claim are crap. Ergo, they most not be crap because the market place has valued them higher then your vaunted food. Whine all you want but your own people have voted against you with their money.

It's mainly the children, and they eventually grow up. Children do stupid things.

	30-08-2003 04:45									#74
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT BTW, how do you check the label in a restaurant?

Did you just call McDonalds a restaurant?

	30-08-2003 04:47									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I keep hearing Frenchmen mumble about this but all the US fast food companies keep having record years in Europe.

Well then, since I am not French, I can give an unbiased opinion.

You yanks are in dream world if you think you can compare to the French when it comes to food. No ****ing way mate.

I can honestly say, I haven't eaten a MacCrap burger since I was a starving student. It must be all the fat yank tourists wolfing them down. (By the look of some of these guys, it must take millions of burgers just to feed one...)

Give me a French 3* Michelin any day.

And quite frankly, if this isn't patently obvious to you, then you have never eaten a decent meal in you entire pitiful existence.

	30-08-2003 04:48									#76
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT BTW, how do you check the label in a restaurant?

Most put info like that in the menu and if they don't you just ask the waiter.

	30-08-2003 04:54									#77
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LOL MCDONALDS ISN'T REALLY FOOD BECAUSE I DONT LIKE IT LOL WHY DONT THEY GIVE YOU A BUCKET OF LARD WITH YOUR BURGERS LOL LOL LOL I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS ISNT THE HEALTHIEST FOOD AVAILABLE ON EARTH

Jesus f***ing Christ, just shut the f*** up about this McDonalds crap. Of course they're not the healthiest food there is. If you don't like it, big deal. Reading page after page of "LOL MCDONALDS SUCKS" is really f***ing annoying.

	30-08-2003 04:56									#78
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quote: Originally posted by thorgalaeg Errh...maybe, but good or bad you should call it for his name. It would confuse people.

Confuse people? I have yet to find a label more confusing then your average old world wine. A new world wine will have the verital and region of origin right on the lable while your average European wine will only have the region of origin. Therefor you know exactly what you are buying with a new world wine but with an old world wine you are gambling. You really don't know what you are buying and you're just hoping you guess right.

	30-08-2003 04:57									#79
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Good thing I live in Italy... So I'm sure that the Wine I drink come from my region. My S. Daniele and Parma Ham come from Parma. My Parmesan cheese also comes from Parma. The Champagne I drink comes from France, while our Italian Spumante has correctly a different name than Champagne (for those of you who don't know.. Spumante is the Italian version of Champagne)

And so on.

I'm just a little sorry for the rest of you who always have to check the label in every single detail to be sure you are eating or drinking the real thing.

While all I have to do is look for a DOC sign

Saluti

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quote: Originally posted by ixnay Jesus f***ing Christ, just shut the f*** up about this McDonalds crap. Of course they're not the healthiest food there is. If you don't like it, big deal. Reading page after page of "LOL MCDONALDS SUCKS" is really f***ing annoying.

If you don't like it, don't read it - be a good American and go have a **** to pictures of bill gates.

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quote: Originally posted by ixnay LOL MCDONALDS ISN'T REALLY FOOD BECAUSE I DONT LIKE IT LOL WHY DONT THEY GIVE YOU A BUCKET OF LARD WITH YOUR BURGERS LOL LOL LOL I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS ISNT THE HEALTHIEST FOOD AVAILABLE ON EARTH Jesus f***ing Christ, just shut the f*** up about this McDonalds crap. Of course they're not the healthiest food there is. If you don't like it, big deal. Reading page after page of "LOL MCDONALDS SUCKS" is really f***ing annoying.

We wouldn't even mention it, but Oerdin keeps to bring it up. He must be a big fan.

	30-08-2003 04:58									#82
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For wines - as long as they get you drunk, they are OK

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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh If you don't like it, don't read it - be a good American and go have a **** to pictures of bill gates.

Actually, I shall use clever placement of dollar signs to express my distaste of Bill Gates and his company

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	30-08-2003 05:00									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Did you just call McDonalds a restaurant?

I was referring to an Oerdin statement explaining that the qualification of *Mongolian* for a beef was not describing the origin of the meat but the recipe applied to prepare it. I politely assumed that the only place where being mongolian was a virtue was a restaurant.

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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh And quite frankly, if this isn't patently obvious to you, then you have never eaten a decent meal in you entire pitiful existence.

Insults are always the last refuge of someone who has lost an agruement. Not to worry I will take your concesion with nobility.

	30-08-2003 05:03									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Insults are always the last refuge of someone who has lost an agruement. Not to worry I will take your concesion with nobility.

You mean the "little hypocrite" as you called me was not an insult? But I will take your concession with nobility too.

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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph We wouldn't even mention it, but Oerdin keeps to bring it up. He must be a big fan.

On the contrary my friend. You were the first one to mention McDonalds. I take it you would now like to retract those statements?

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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph You mean the "little hypocrite" as you called me was not an insult? But I will take your concession with nobility too.

That was simply the truth. If the truth was an insult I cannot help that.

	30-08-2003 05:07									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin On the contrary my friend. You were the first one to mention McDonalds. I take it you would now like to retract those statements?

I have no reason to do so, since you insist on your "quantity equals quality" stance. But what can I expect from a philistine barbarian. Not an insult, just the truth.

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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT I was referring to an Oerdin statement explaining that the qualification of *Mongolian* for a beef was not describing the origin of the meat but the recipe applied to prepare it. I politely assumed that the only place where being mongolian was a virtue was a restaurant.

No, both Chinese and Korean restaurants sell Mongolian beef besides Mongolian restaurants. What we have here is a perfect example of how shallow and superfacial the EU claims really are. A perfect example of how wrong they are.