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Shi Huangdi
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Pittsburgh, PA
Apr 1999
time: 00:30
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Originally posted by Sava
I still have yet to see one white person whose life has been destroyed by the terrible ATROCITY of affirmative action... 
I don't agree with AA, but at this point, it's better than doing nothing. |
AA is nessecarily discriminatory against white people. College admissions a zero sum game; there are a large number of people competing for a limited number of slots. By giving spots to otherwise unqualified people because of their race, you are denying the spot to someone else.
"If they were honest about giving people who need help a hand they'd have class-based affirmative action and give people from poor families a boost on admissions. But (especially at private schools) that would be damn expansive and its so much easier, cheaper and more superficially diverse to just let in any middle-class minority kids they can get their hands on and give the poor bastards of all ethnicities who were stuck going to **** schools because they're from an area with low property values the shaft..."
Boshko speaks the truth! 
"But you know what, every child born in America should have an equal opprotunity in terms of education."
The question is, what is the source of the lack of opportunity: income or race?
With income, you have easily observable advantages that go to high-income people. A higher income student is likely to attend better pre-university schools that will prepare them for the admissions process. A higher income student is less likely to have to work a part-time job that would take away from time at schoolwork. A higher income student is more likely to have better gudiance counseling advising them through the admissions process. A higher income student is more likely to be able to afford good SAT prep coaching. A higher income student is more likely to be able to afford taking the SAT I multiple times and more likely to afford/have the time to prep for the SAT II's. A high income student likely has educated parents who instill education as a value to their kids strongly. A high income student might attend a prestigious enough high school that some Universities might give them points in the admissions process just for being from that high school. A very high income student might be able to hire their own private guidance counselor or even be able to get help via legacy status.
With race, it's a little harder to get objective measurements as to disadvantages. Are we to believe, teachers, one of the most liberal groups in society, are racist against their minority students? Have we seen evidence that they grade harder against minority students? That the SAT somehow penalizes minority students?
I think it's hard to demonstrate clearly that minority students are at as a disadvantage. Some minority students are due to the the fact that many are poor, but that is not all minority students. With income, however, we can see clear cut and real advantages that are plainly obvious. Therefore, we should go with income-based affirmative action, as opposed to race-based affirmative action.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:30
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Oh, yes, horrid AA.I mean, it has even brought the pecentages of black and hispanic students into some colleges into double digits! (nowhere near their percentage fo the local population still). We can have that many "darkies" reading books!!
I went to an extremely competaive high school, mostly white and asian, the sort of school in which 99% go on to college and 20-25% to Ivy leagues. Now, the thing was, so many kids from that one high school aplied to the ivy leagues that our chances to get in actually went down..after all, if 50 kids from our school apply, and 20 are fully qualified, that still means 20 kids in one Ivy class from the same single highschool!? Can't possibly have that! So we will let in less qualified students from other highschools in, simply to avoid so damn many kids from the same highschool.......and this sort of blatant discrimination against middle class white, jewish and asian kids from the tri-state area is rampant out east, just cause there are too damn many qualified applicants..so any of you kids from the cornbelt and out in loony land out west, know that even if a lesser candidate, you stand a better chance to get into presigeous East coast schools!
(maybe people out west give a damn about AA much more cause public u's set up wth state aid handle most education, as opposed to the thirving private university industry that controls the east).
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Harry Seldon
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Birmingham, AL
Oct 2002
time: 05:30
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Originally posted by GePap
Oh, yes, horrid AA.I mean, it has even brought the pecentages of black and hispanic students into some colleges into double digits! (nowhere near their percentage fo the local population still). We can have that many "darkies" reading books!!
I went to an extremely competaive high school, mostly white and asian, the sort of school in which 99% go on to college and 20-25% to Ivy leagues. Now, the thing was, so many kids from that one high school aplied to the ivy leagues that our chances to get in actually went down..after all, if 50 kids from our school apply, and 20 are fully qualified, that still means 20 kids in one Ivy class from the same single highschool!? Can't possibly have that! So we will let in less qualified students from other highschools in, simply to avoid so damn many kids from the same highschool.......and this sort of blatant discrimination against middle class white, jewish and asian kids from the tri-state area is rampant out east, just cause there are too damn many qualified applicants..so any of you kids from the cornbelt and out in loony land out west, know that even if a lesser candidate, you stand a better chance to get into presigeous East coast schools!
(maybe people out west give a damn about AA much more cause public u's set up wth state aid handle most education, as opposed to the thirving private university industry that controls the east). |
So did you go to an Ivy league school? Regardless of race, did having less competitive students not make you feel that your Ivy league experience was less valuable because maybe you aren't challenged as much? I equate this to some of my certifications. With boot camps and cheat sheets unqualified and ignorant people can attain a certification in technology. I'm good at what I do but my certifications are becoming meaningless because of unqualified people are making them so. This is a fairly extreme example but it has the potential to spread to college degrees and such.
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Kaak
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Here's a novel idea. Don't include any space for race on university applications. Have the application review process set up so that the names aren't even visible to those reviewing the application, that way only those with the best qualifications are accepted
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05-09-2003 00:51
I never knew you gave up so easy. Is it only when you're wrong?
At least you admitted it was a personal opinion.
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