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David Floyd is offline David Floyd
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Now they have this race-based **** at my school. Blah.

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University’s admission policy
to include consideration of race
August 28, 2003

AUSTIN, Texas—Effective ways to include race as a factor in selecting applicants for admission are being evaluated by administrators at The University of Texas at Austin, which plans to implement a revised admissions process by fall 2004.

Dr. Bruce Walker, vice provost and director of admissions at the university, said he and Provost Sheldon Ekland-Olson have been working with other university officials for several weeks to develop an admissions process that includes race as a factor. Their plan must undergo reviews by President Larry R. Faulkner, as well as by the University of Texas System’s legal counsel before a final version is submitted to the Board of Regents for its consideration and approval.

“Our mission is to serve the entire state of Texas, and right now we have certain segments of the population that, by all indicators, are underserved,” said Ekland-Olson. “We are looking for all kinds of ways to improve on that and this gives us one more tool to use.”

The fall 2002 freshman class at The University of Texas at Austin included 13.6 percent Hispanics and 3.4 percent African American students. In comparison, the statewide demographic figures show Hispanics are 32 percent of the state population and African Americans are about 11 percent.

Walker said all 15 components in The University of Texas System are required to have plans reviewed by the system prior to implementation of race as a factor in the admissions process. He said the university’s “holistic” review of each applicant takes many factors into consideration in addition to academic strength.

“A comprehensive college education depends on a robust exchange of ideas, exposure to differing cultures, preparing for the challenges of an increasingly diverse workforce and acquiring competencies required of future leaders,” said Walker. “The university handles a very large number of applications and therefore must select from among this highly qualified pool only the number of students it can accommodate. In addition to an assessment of the academic strength of an applicant’s record, admission decisions result from an individualized, holistic review of each applicant. The review takes into consideration the many ways the academically qualified individual might contribute and benefit from, the rich, diverse and challenging educational environment of the university.”

Walker said the Board of Regents’ decision calling for the inclusion of race in the admissions process followed a decision in June by the U.S. Supreme Court upholding the University of Michigan’s use of affirmative action in its admissions process. The court, however, made it clear that race should be only one of several factors used in choosing students for admission.

Walker said The University of Texas at Austin had used race as a factor in its admission process until 1996, when the Fifth Circuit Court’s ruling in the “Hopwood” case abruptly ended the use of race considerations. He said the Hopwood decision caused the university to make major changes in its admission process, such as adding file review to actually read the application files and essays submitted by applicants. Other considerations include leadership, honors, awards, community service and work experience.

The Hopwood ruling and a subsequent attorney general’s ruling prohibiting Texas colleges and universities from considering race in the admissions process had placed the state’s higher education institutions in a competitive disadvantage in trying to recruit qualified minority students because other states were not bound by the court order. Ekland-Olson said the U.S. Supreme Court decision in the Michigan case and a recent decision by the Board of Regents to allow the use of race as a factor in the admissions process finally “levels the playing field with the rest of the country.”

“At the undergraduate level, what we are looking at are ways that we can add to the kinds of criteria that we are already using in conjunction with the top 10 percent law to produce the best class that we can that represents the people in Texas whom we need to serve,” Ekland-Olson said.

For more information contact: Dr. Bruce Walker, Office of Admissions, 512-475-7326, or Robert D. Meckel, Office of Public Affairs, 512-475-7847.

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All this stuff is theoretical up in Michigan, and wherever, but now that it looks like they'll start letting in underqualified students (academically speaking) to MY school, it really pisses me off. Especially since I've got friends who can't get in here.

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Damn, DF, looks like you might have to see a non-caucasian from time to time at school.

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I couldn't care less who I see at school, in terms of race. The problem is using race as a factor, rather than solely academics. This is SCHOOL, not sensitivity training, not "make everyone feel good about themselves" time.

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That positive discrimination here is plain racism...

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That is indeed bad news. Affirmative action should be punishable by having your pube hairs pulled out one by one. Don't they understand that they break more than they mend.

And I'm not even American.

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AA = reverse racism.

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I couldn't care less who I see at school, in terms of race. The problem is using race as a factor, rather than solely academics. This is SCHOOL, not sensitivity training, not "make everyone feel good about themselves" time.


I know that you're aware that racism is alive and well in this country. AA is a means to counter that obstacle.

End the racism, no need for AA.

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AA for private schools only.

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I still have yet to see one white person whose life has been destroyed by the terrible ATROCITY of affirmative action...

I don't agree with AA, but at this point, it's better than doing nothing.

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If they were honest about giving people who need help a hand they'd have class-based affirmative action and give people from poor families a boost on admissions. But (especially at private schools) that would be damn expansive and its so much easier, cheaper and more superficially diverse to just let in any middle-class minority kids they can get their hands on and give the poor bastards of all ethnicities who were stuck going to **** schools because they're from an area with low property values the shaft...

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I still have yet to see one white person whose life has been destroyed by the terrible ATROCITY of affirmative action...


My life hasn't been destroyed but we've hired inferior people for technical positions to fill quotas at work. In my opinion, the only people who lose are the people who hire someone based solely on race, regardless of which they choose. The best person should always be chosen for the job, or for school admissions, or for anything else in life. To do otherwise is ludicrous.

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My life hasn't been destroyed but we've hired inferior people for technical positions to fill quotas at work. In my opinion, the only people who lose are the people who hire someone based solely on race, regardless of which they choose. The best person should always be chosen for the job, or for school admissions, or for anything else in life. To do otherwise is ludicrous.
I agree. The best person should get the job. But you know what, every child born in America should have an equal opprotunity in terms of education. But ideals often fall short of reality. I'll make you a deal, we can scrap AA when we equalize education in this country, m'kay?

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Replace AA with admissions based on Demographics and not race. In a sense you would just desguise AA, but at least it wouldn't leave people who need help out in the cold.

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Down with racism and the AA it spawns.

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I'll make you a deal, we can scrap AA when we equalize education in this country, m'kay


Yes, and poor white kids in rural areas have so many advantages over inner city kids as far as education and equality, right?

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In my opinion, the only people who lose are the people who hire someone based solely on race, regardless of which they choose.


They aren't admitted based solely on race. It's only one of the qualifiers.

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Yes, and poor white kids in rural areas have so many advantages over inner city kids as far as education and equality, right?
With equalized education, everyone can have a chance. But look at the percentages of poor vs demographics of race. Sure, there are a lot of poor white people... but how many rich people are black? Sorry I had to burn your strawman...

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Can we please dispense with that "poor white kids" canard?

AA, at least as it WAS practiced at U-M, did not adversely effect one single solitary poor white kid. Poor kids, regardless of race, got the exact same help that minority kids got, period. Of course, now that the SC struck down that policy, no one knows what the result will be.

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Sure, there are a lot of poor white people... but how many rich people are black?


Number wise or percentage? What percentages of the population are black and white? Sure there may be 100 rich white folk and 30 rich black folk but blacks represent a smaller demographic than whites. And why do rich people matter anyway? The rich tend to live in hives away from the masses, white or black. How many rich people of any race do you know that live in Compton or Gary, Ind.?

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People w/ money will 9/10 send thier kids to private schools (pre College).
If you want to do away w/ AA lets do away w/ legacy AA

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To all those that support AA, I would like to know how everyone is supposed to know when it's ok to drop these programs? If the answer is when there is no more racism, then you are seriously deluded to think that day will ever come.

More emphasis should be placed on economic background then your what color you are. What exactly would be wrong with that?

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If you want to do away w/ AA lets do away w/ legacy AA


I'm for that too

Get rid of it all; if you can't take the heat, don't come into the kitchen!

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It's not even as if blacks and Asian (Hispanics in US) actually want to be given a helping hand anyway. I certainly wouldn't want other people feeling I'd got a job or uni placement because of my skin colour and not merit.

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Sure, there are a lot of poor white people... but how many rich people are black? Sorry I had to burn your strawman...



Why don't you look up the numbers and tell us. Surely if it's worth mentioning it's worth looking up?

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I don't support AA per se... I think it's an inefficient solution to a real problem. I guess my point is that all the "white people are discriminated" BS is stupid.

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More emphasis should be placed on economic background then your what color you are. What exactly would be wrong with that?


Certain minority groups do want the helping hand, Park. That's why they always protest and demand equal SUCCESS and not equal OPPORTUNITY.

I think many of them are so STUPID that they don't even know the difference between success and opportunity.

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Why don't you look up the numbers and tell us. Surely if it's worth mentioning it's worth looking up?
Why... do you disagree that the majority of rich and upper middle class are white?

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What real problem?

Maybe it's just that "minorities" in the US are less intelligent. All the signs point that way.

 
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