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if minority parents want their kids to be successful, they need to start teaching them before they start school. I have friends who are intern teachers at primarily black schools, and one said she has 1st graders who don't know what the letter 'N' is. I think I knew my alphabet before i was 4, and was doing addition before i started kindergarden. The problem isn't with the schools, and it isn't with the universities. It's that often minority parents don't take any responsibility for the education of their kids, they just teach them how to blame someone else.
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Kaak
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Originally posted by MrFun
But Boris, those poor, straight heterosexual white males have had it so rough, historically -- they've been persecuted for centuries.
I'm not sure what group of people have persecuted, repressed, or overly exploited white, straight men, but I'm sure I can make something up. |
Do you know anything about european history? i'll give you a brief rundown. there was this little period of time known as the Middle ages that lasted about a millennium, where the mighty few persecuted, repressed and overly exploited the white straight, underprivaledged males.
Oppression doesn't have anything to do with the color of one's skin, it has to do with maintaining power. Master mentality vs slave mentality. sorry black people had it so bad for a couple hundred years. The white european majority had it a lot worse for a lot longer.
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so, what you are saying is, that those that were the most oppressed came to rule the world financially without any affirmative action programs?
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Kaak
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funboi, you are taking a tragically limited perspective to this whole thing. What about the nations in africa that are run by blacks (and other races)? I would agree that they results are because of different histories, but that isn't the case for the average black baby born today.
I think those in college, and those with opportunities shoud be there and have those privaledges because they worked for them, not because they were handed such graces for the color of their skin. I don't think race, creed, or nationality should be a factor at all. I think parents need to take responsibility for instilling the RIGHT values in their children, and the children need to take responsibility for themselves instead of blaming others and asking for hand-outs.
The simple fact of the matter is 99% if black people are better off iin the states than they would have been in africa, even if they are janitors.
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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
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Originally posted by Kaak
funboi, you are taking a tragically limited perspective to this whole thing. What about the nations in africa that are run by blacks (and other races)? I would agree that they results are because of different histories, but that isn't the case for the average black baby born today.
I think those in college, and those with opportunities shoud be there and have those privaledges because they worked for them, not because they were handed such graces for the color of their skin. I don't think race, creed, or nationality should be a factor at all. I think parents need to take responsibility for instilling the RIGHT values in their children, and the children need to take responsibility for themselves instead of blaming others and asking for hand-outs.
The simple fact of the matter is 99% if black people are better off iin the states than they would have been in africa, even if they are janitors. |
Yes -- I am well aware of intra-racial exploitation of lower classes in different parts of the world, including Africa.
Some of this abusive power system in Africa emerged from the Cold War, when United States and other Western nations sought to plant friendly dictatorships.
The other part of the problem comes from African leaders who refuse to break the cycle they got their peoples into, because those African leaders are getting fat and rich at the expense of the majority of their people.
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Kaak
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yes. i think we may be arguing the same point in different ways. All i'm trying to say is that, from a philosophical perspective, affirmative action only propogates the Slave mentality, and handouts aren't good for bettering oneself. Everyone should be held to the same bar, so they know what they have to achieve to get what they want...
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Monk
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I don't think we're in Brønshøj anymore
Jan 1970
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What's with the notion that if you're a white, heterosexual male, you can't possibly have experienced intolerance in your life?
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Ook! Ook! Ack! Ack! Ack!
Jun 2002
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But do you really think that blacks could catch up with whites given the different historical trajectories these two groups had? |
That's the point. I am not trying to keep blacks on the wrong trajectory, quite the reverse. It's just that I don't see AA helping them. IMO, AA has allowed them to set their own trajectory, and they decided not to change it. Instead, get the free ride to nowhere.
I know it sounds like a fortune cookie, but real change comes from within. Within themselves, their communities, and their schools... I really hate helping people get an education when all they do is insult it and end up getting a degree in womens stud or worse, philosophy ...
Basically, the effort given to AA by the government and school boards, as well as the effort given by the black community to keep it would better be spent encouraging and helping their kids to learn...
Asian people faced the same, if not worse, discrimination in the past, even here in the US, and I don't see them taking or getting free hand-outs
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