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	07-09-2003 09:19									#2
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3550 B.C.

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Summary:
We started slow, due to ISP errors on my end. After much discussion, New Asgard was founded 3900, and started a new scout.

Our first scout popped an empty hut, but our second scout popped a settler!

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Last edited by Octavian X on 07-09-2003 at 09:29

	07-09-2003 09:20									#3
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Screenie, 3550 BC, after getting the free settler:
(sorry for bad quality, i'm not an expert at this screenshot thing)

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	07-09-2003 11:00									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Octavian X Our first scout popped an empty hut, but our second scout popped a settler!

Boo-Ya! The joys of having expansionist. That will really speed up the growth of our empire...or at the very least allow us to almost keep pace city-wise with the AI civs.

	07-09-2003 11:02									#5
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BTW, based on the lack of being able to get to the north area for awhile, and the fact that there is a barb to the south, I'd recommend building a warrior after this next scout. Three ought to be enough to sniff out the enemy.

	07-09-2003 12:28									#6
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Heck, we may be on an Island; two scouts are more than enough, build some troops to protect against those barbs and to promote happiness in our cities.

	07-09-2003 13:35									#7
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I guess we will loose our scout and there will be only one. But I think one may be enough. Let's concentrate on warriors and REX.

	07-09-2003 18:49									#8
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hi ,

who-aah , with a second city this early


great play guys


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	07-09-2003 19:31									#9
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The attachment in reply #2 returns the screen shot instead of the save.

Could someone please fix?

	07-09-2003 20:03									#10
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quote: Originally posted by roadcage The attachment in reply #2 returns the screen shot instead of the save. Could someone please fix?

I have a save. Keep in mind it's not the official, presidential save, but it should be the same, and you can use it for the time being...

	08-09-2003 00:13									#11
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The location of the second settler looks good. its close enough to the coast and can best utalize them .

	08-09-2003 00:17									#12
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hi ,

he could move one , to get the wheat within later city range , .....

we should not have moved our capital away from the spanish , it would have been nice to take that fish later on , .......


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	08-09-2003 00:25									#13
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By closer examination, we can move that settler closer to the cattle and mine it.

	08-09-2003 00:28									#14
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quote: Originally posted by CivGeneral By closer examination, we can move that settler closer to the cattle and mine it.

hi ,

actually the best would be to put it on top of the plains ( one move , keypad number 4 ) , this way it would get both a grain and the cattle , .....

some long term investment , .....

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	08-09-2003 00:36									#15
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I think New Asgard's production should be immediately switched to a warrior for some protection. We can still consider a third scout after seeing what the surviving scout finds in the southwest.

I would favor moving the settler 8-8 or 8-8-8 and founding near New Asgard. Less distance so less corruption. 8-8 can work the cattle immediately, plus a bonus grass once Asgard's radius expands; the downside is not being able to share the wheat tile, and it'll take a while to get the cattle irrigated (mining won't have any effect in despotism). 8-8-8 can share the wheat and two bonus grass, but will have to expand culture borders to get the cattle, which is pretty much impossible since we need to be building warriors, settlers, and workers right now, not expensive 60-shield temples.

	08-09-2003 00:44									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep I think New Asgard's production should be immediately switched to a warrior for some protection. We can still consider a third scout after seeing what the surviving scout finds in the southwest. I would favor moving the settler 8-8 or 8-8-8 and founding near New Asgard. Less distance so less corruption. 8-8 can work the cattle immediately, plus a bonus grass once Asgard's radius expands; the downside is not being able to share the wheat tile, and it'll take a while to get the cattle irrigated (mining won't have any effect in despotism). 8-8-8 can share the wheat and two bonus grass, but will have to expand culture borders to get the cattle, which is pretty much impossible since we need to be building warriors, settlers, and workers right now, not expensive 60-shield temples.

hi ,

yes but then we where to loose two or three turns , .......

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	08-09-2003 00:57									#17
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quote: Originally posted by panag yes but then we where to loose two or three turns , .......

Two or three turns spent now to settle in a better location will pay dividends down the road. Less corruption, etc will allow us to use the city resources even better. I favor Kloreep's 8-8 city settlement plan.

	08-09-2003 01:00									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill Two or three turns spent now to settle in a better location will pay dividends down the road. Less corruption, etc will allow us to use the city resources even better. I favor Kloreep's 8-8 city settlement plan.

hi ,

ones that city grows a bit , has a couple units in it , its ideal to be used as worker and settler pump , .....

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	08-09-2003 01:17									#19
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But any city settled that far away from our capitol will have corruption enough to cripple it as a settler pump for a while. Settling 8-8 and irrigating that cattle tile will allow that city to work as a very effective settler pump right now. It won't take that long to get the cattle tile irrigated as it is only two tiles from a river. I agree that the city near the flood plain wheat will be a great city down the road, but it would be stagnant with corruption and completely undefended for at least the ten turns it would take to build a warrior in the city (and there are barbs out there we have to remember). A city built closer to New Asgard can benefit from the protection of warriors built in New Asgard while spitting out a worker to improve the cattle tile and quickly turning the city into an effective pump much earlier than the city near the flood plains

	08-09-2003 02:21									#20
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Yea we really need a Warrior instead of the Scout and I think that's what will happen next turn.

	08-09-2003 02:27									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Madcaptn Yea we really need a Warrior instead of the Scout and I think that's what will happen next turn.

Agreed. Another scout would be nice, but we need some defense since we know barbs are out there.

	08-09-2003 02:48									#22
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hi ,

move the settler on the plain , we shall get two floodplain ( can later be used by other city on the other side of gems ) , one wheat , one forest and one plain , .....

by the time the city has grown bigger we shall be able to build something there to let expand our culture , ones thats done we shall have a huge settler worker pump , ......

as for corruption , well it aint that far away and we shall be able to gain what ever we loose due to its rapid growth and production , .....

our current capital might be relocated anyway since it aint in a good spot , ......

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	08-09-2003 02:51									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Madcaptn Yea we really need a Warrior instead of the Scout and I think that's what will happen next turn.

hi ,

since chances are high that we are on an island or a small continent we should indeed go for warriors , .....

with spain so close we have a reasonable chance at this level they shall declare war on us really soon if we are to stay weak , .....

and our new free settler twon is going to need some protection , ......

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	08-09-2003 02:54									#24
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , move the settler on the plain , we shall get two floodplain ( can later be used by other city on the other side of gems ) , one wheat , one forest and one plain , ..... by the time the city has grown bigger we shall be able to build something there to let expand our culture , ones thats done we shall have a huge settler worker pump , ...... as for corruption , well it aint that far away and we shall be able to gain what ever we loose due to its rapid growth and production , ..... our current capital might be relocated anyway since it aint in a good spot , ...... have a nice day

Hmm, we have two definitely differing viewpoints on what to do with our new settler from Kloreep and panag. DM Nuclear Master, care to start a poll on the matter? Kloreep's has my vote though.

	08-09-2003 02:57									#25
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Hey this is a perfect opportunity to start up new political parties. Kloreep can lead the "cattle party" and Panag can lead the "flood party".

	08-09-2003 02:59									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill Hey this is a perfect opportunity to start up new political parties. Kloreep can lead the "cattle party" and Panag can lead the "flood party".

hi ,

from what we can see now panag's plan would lead to at least the cattle , one wheat and two floodplains , .....

thus resulting in a supercity with great production , lots of income , science , etc , ......

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	08-09-2003 03:57									#27
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , actually the best would be to put it on top of the plains ( one move , keypad number 4 ) , this way it would get both a grain and the cattle , ..... some long term investment , ..... have a nice day

Hmm, sounds like a good Idea. I never thought about that before .

	08-09-2003 12:57									#28
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I don't think two squares more or less will result in the corruption of the new city because we don't have others.

And we can build panag's supercity later when it will be well protected. Building it now will leave us without gold (because the barb warrior will take it).

	08-09-2003 17:49									#29
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looks good, now, about that 2nd city, I'll agree with panag, but try to build it on the coast, get the cattle, and 2 flood plans, if possbily, (I think to do thta, we maybe need to build on the cattle, which can't be good.)

	08-09-2003 20:27									#30
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We should move the settler up, 8-8, and take advantage of the cattle. It will be good to have a second city close to the capital so soon.