10-09-2003 12:16									#31
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Nobody is being kept in reservations, they're being kept OUT of a state that has right to fear them. Open your eyes!

Oh right. I shouldn't have said state, because everything established and all the people trying to live their lives there are FAKE

	10-09-2003 12:22									#32
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In any event the wall is much needed and should be expanded even more. Plus the IDF should guard the wall 24/7 and have ground motion sensors installed so tunneling activity can be discovered before the Arab murders can complete the tunnels. The US Army has done this alone the Korean DMZ and it has been effective.

Ideally I'd like to see two walls which are 50 feet apart and a mine field in between the two walls just in case some Arab terrorist gets over the first wall.

	10-09-2003 12:23									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Oh right. I shouldn't have said state, because everything established and all the people trying to live their lives there are FAKE

Wow, Zylka has become a supporter of the state of Israel. It is amazing what love can do.

	10-09-2003 12:35									#34
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An assasination in Gaza. The target is the Hamas spokesman Mahmud a-Zahar.

	10-09-2003 13:08									#35
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk There's no comparison.

A group of people who think they have a God given right to a land keep another less powerful group of people who also think they have a God given right to the land in little areas where they can be controlled.

I'd say its quite a good comparrison

	10-09-2003 13:12									#36
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Only if you ignore Jordan.

	10-09-2003 13:13									#37
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Ethnic cleansing (and that's what is going on) can be a part of the solution, but not the solution itself. Give the Palestinians their ****ing own state, tear down the israeli settlements and then establish a harsh border control should be the plan. Not ghettoizing them now and maybe in ten years negotiating about their demands. That won't make peace.

On a sidenote: I have nothing against the assassinations of Hamas leaders. Although it's against democratic principles to execute somebody without a sentence, but these people are murderers.

	10-09-2003 13:14									#38
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Only if you ignore Jordan.

I always do she's a publicity seeking bimbo.

	10-09-2003 13:15									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Ideally I'd like to see two walls which are 50 feet apart and a mine field in between the two walls just in case some Arab terrorist gets over the first wall.

Sound astoundingly familiar to me, for some reason . Didn't work tho.

	10-09-2003 13:19									#40
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The Palestinians should have their own state. It's called Jordan.

	10-09-2003 13:34									#41
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No need for violence, demographics will solve this issue soon enough

	10-09-2003 13:53									#42
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Friggin morons...

Both of them.

	10-09-2003 16:20									#43
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Good fences make good neighbors.

	10-09-2003 16:23									#44
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I always get like "phew" when those bombings are in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv only rather than Haifa

	10-09-2003 16:32									#45
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quote: Originally posted by GePap By Christmans time Israel will have invaded Gaza and brought it under military rule again: the invasion will be, to use euphamisms, "Complex and messy". Hamas and IJ will go underground. Attacks on Israelis will diminish in the first months following, but will creep back up in time..they won;t end all together at any point. Political talks will be basically frozen an unprodcutive for a few years afterwards..basically there will be a return to 1992, only with less hope in the future.

This does seem to be the cycle. It appears that the Arabs will never really ccept Israel and it is certain that Israel will never go away. A low grade war without end...what a horrible way to live for both sides.

Perhaps one day the Palestinian people will wake up to the fact that their leadership continues to squander their future in a useless attempt to drive Israel from the ME. If not, one day an Israeli leader will determine that it is worth the cost to destroy the regimes that make the terrorist viable threats.

	10-09-2003 16:36									#46
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I'm just afraid for my Dima you see

	10-09-2003 16:46									#47
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk The Palestinians should have their own state. It's called Jordan.

Yes, with the hashemite king

	10-09-2003 17:18									#48
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I've recently been wondering why this conflict is such a big deal. I mean, a month in Israel/Palestine is equivalent to an hour in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Solving the war there is a thousand times more important than wasting time on the Middle East.

	10-09-2003 17:33									#49
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Its more important cose it takes place at an area holy for 3 world religions...
+ its not an usual type of war like you see in africa, its unique...
+ some semi-democratic (more or less...) country is involved in the conflict ... nobody gives a damn about
rebellion no. x in some african dictatorship...

	10-09-2003 17:35									#50
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the big deal is MONEY ....

	10-09-2003 18:36									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph . On a sidenote: I have nothing against the assassinations of Hamas leaders. Although it's against democratic principles to execute somebody without a sentence, but these people are murderers.

Actually the IDF has tried on numerous occasions to arrest them. They have a nasty tendency to kill IDF when that happens though.

Now if the PA would seriously begin to arrest these people, then IDF wouldnt have to kill them.

	10-09-2003 18:40									#52
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Maybe we could bury him alive with the war criminal Sharon.

In the last 30 years:

Leaders of Israel:
Golda Meir
Yitzhak Rabin
Menachem Begin
Yitzhak Shamir
Shimon Peres
Yitzhak Shamir (again)
Yitzhak Rabin(again)
Bibi Netanyahu
Ehud Barak
Ariel Sharon

Leaders of the Palestinians:
Yasser Arafat.

Time to try something new?

	10-09-2003 18:43									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Eli An assasination in Gaza. The target is the Hamas spokesman Mahmud a-Zahar.

Glad youre ok - anyone heard from Siro?

	10-09-2003 18:45									#54
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Can somebody explain to me how the first attack was terrorist? All but one of the killed/injured were soldiers, and were legitimate military targets...

	10-09-2003 18:47									#55
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Only if you ignore Jordan.

and Eygpt.

	10-09-2003 18:47									#56
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I can't wait to see Israel's reaction. And then the Palestinian reaction. And then Israel's reaction...

I've given up all hope that anybody in the region has any sense whatsoever.

	10-09-2003 18:48									#57
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quote: News of the bombs caused elation among Hamas supporters.

	10-09-2003 18:50									#58
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Duh.

	10-09-2003 18:51									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Sound astoundingly familiar to me, for some reason . Didn't work tho.

This is designed to keep murderes out where as you eastern Germans built one to keep everyone in. A world of difference.

	10-09-2003 18:52									#60
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And news of more executions of Hamas leaders will no doubt cause celebration amongst the Israelis.