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Should Peanut butter be banned for the sake of one child? (Time out:0 days after 10-09-2003, 19:55)
Yes, the kid deserves the full right to attend school as everybody else.
No. That right does not extend to imposing dietary restrictions on the OTHER kids.
Damn good thing he ain't allergic to Bananas!
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(I know, think, where Che will stand on this one. )

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One 5-year-old's allergy leads to class peanut ban
Dozens of parents at PTA meeting question lunch searches, nurse


An East Bay elementary school's ban on peanut butter sandwiches and other nut products in its kindergarten classes has some parents questioning whether school district administrators overreacted to concerns for one allergic child.

At the center of the storm is a 5-year-old boy enrolled at Valle Verde Elementary School in Walnut Creek. He suffers from "peanut and tree nut" allergies that his mother says are life-threatening.

As a result, school officials have taken extraordinary steps in Pod C, a group of kindergarten classrooms at Valle Verde that share a common central area.

The parents of other kindergarten students were informed of the situation in a letter from school officials, who decreed that "all kindergarten students will begin the day by washing hands with soap and water . . . supervised by classroom staff."

Then they learned that a licensed vocational nurse has been hired to monitor the student. On the first day of school, parents said, their kids' backpacks and lunch boxes were searched for peanut butter sandwiches and such.

District spokeswoman Sue Berg acknowledged that "the principal said the first day they did have to confiscate or set aside" some food.

That was enough to get the petitions out and by Monday night's PTA meeting more than 70 people had signed their names to a demand that school officials explain what steps have been taken and why they were necessary.

The PTA session, which drew between 150 and 200 people and was the largest turnout PTA President Kim Moore had ever seen, produced few answers from school officials who declined to discuss specifics.

Many of those attending questioned why the boy couldn't be schooled at home if his condition is so severe.

"My son is allergic to dust mites," said one woman. "Can we get rid of dust mites on campus?"

The allergic boy's mother, Leora Cope, didn't speak at the meeting and later flatly rejected suggestions from others in the audience that the school was overreacting to her son's condition.

"My child's allergies are life-threatening," she said. "If he contacts peanut oil, it could threaten his life. This is a lot different than dust mites."

She said with the measures taken by the school, her son faces no threat. "This is nothing new. This is a situation of parents who are not informed." ( JT )

For years, schools across the nation have struggled with how to balance the needs of severely allergic child -- like the one in Walnut Creek -- with the desires of children who love peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. But the question remains: How far should schools, airlines and other institutions go to accommodate people with severe allergies?

Moore, the PTA president, said she initially questioned the steps taken by the Valle Verde officials, but after researching allergies on the Internet came to agree with their position.

"Allergies vary on a spectrum," she said. "Here we have a child who reacts very violently to the touch of even peanut oil. What we are talking about is life or death."

Although the allergic reaction to peanuts is not rare, and the 5-year-old is not the first student with it to attend the school, experts say the severity of the reaction can vary.

Walnut Creek allergist and immunologist Dr. Nancy Mozelsio earlier in the day told The Chronicle that it is not unusual for schools to create a "nut- free zone" for allergic students. Children are asked not to bring nut products to class, and even items like coconut sunblock are checked.

"That works quite well," says Mozelsio. "I would say that in most cases having the child in a nut-free zone, being careful not to share food, and not eating anything not packed by mom or dad should be fine."

It's possible that this 5-year-old's reactions might be so severe as to be a threat, but that would be very unusual, Mozelsio said.

"I would say having someone (a nurse) go around with that person and searching lunch boxes is a bit excessive, in my opinion," she said. "There have been a couple of cases written up of reactions from people who experienced a reaction just touching or breathing peanut dust. But I think there's a little hysteria involved. That's not typical of what we see."

Alicia McCormack, chair of the school safety committee and first vice president of the Valle Verde PTA, worries that the salary for the nurse is the reason that the school, financially strapped like most in the state, has lost an instructional assistant.

"We made a real effort not to let the budget cuts affect our school," McCormack said. "But all I know is we are down one IA and up a nurse."

Valle Verde Principal Carolyn Kreuscher said hiring the nurse would not siphon funds away from other school programs.

Some parents say that rather than impose restrictions and search lunches, the matter could have been handled with less draconian measures.

"Look," says Kathryn Stewart, a clinical psychologist who works with special education high school students, "my son (now 15) is allergic to peanuts and an alumni of Valle Verde. This kind of nonsense makes me crazy.

"By kindergarten, and certainly by first grade, my son was able to say, 'What is in that?' " she said. "Searching a lunch box is insane. This goes to personal responsibility not changing the rest of the world to fit you."


Precisely, Kathryn. What more can you say than that?

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You mean commies have a particular position in regards to peanut butter and allergies?

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Are the kid and teachers that stupid?

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I wish we could have a "nut-free" zone here...

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You mean commies have a particular position in regards to peanut butter and allergies?


We've discussed this (peanut allergy) issue before as a side argument in another thread a year or so ago.

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Oh, and Che likes peanuts. So don't be too secure in your assumptions.

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This has always been common practice in the schools I've gone to. Peanut allergies can be really severe, and aside from a 6 year old not necisarily being able to find out what's in the food given to him by friends, just touching it can cause a reaction.

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Utter nonsense. Why should your allergy require that other people in a public school change their dietary habits? If you are that bad with allergies don't send your kid to a public school.

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They should make him play Russian roulette with a packet of Revells. That's what we did at my school.

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Damned heartless americans. This wasn't a problem where I lived - Parents excepted the fact that a kid could die from allergies and gave up their childrens precious peanut butter cookies for his sake.

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Are the kid and teachers that stupid?


Own goal! Of course they are.

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If you want to ban anything someone could be allergic too that would be a loooong list....

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Own goal! Of course they are.
Point taken.

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Damned heartless americans. This wasn't a problem where I lived - Parents excepted the fact that a kid could die from allergies and gave up their childrens precious peanut butter cookies for his sake.


Glad you could use my thread for yet another bigoted comment.

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I'm totally with Osweld on this one (if you delete the phrase "heartless americans" from his post, that is).

I don't think that access to peanut butter sandwiches is a fundmental human right. Are the other kids so attached to their sandwich fillings that they would place the life of one of their peers at risk?

Besides, they're ****ing digusting.

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This happened in our kids ski school last year. I'm not sure where I stand. Its frustrating that a very small percentage of people can dictate the menu, but can also see it from the parents point of view.

I witnessed my roomate arrive home on valentines night with his head like a pumpkin and watched him stab himself with his anti-death needles after being served a walnut salad dressing.

Clearly peanut alergies are part of evolutions big plan and they will all eventually die out and we can have our peanut butter back in the ski school.

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It shouldn't be that big of a deal. Surely kids can live without having PB&Js at school???? Cream cheese and jelly is 5 times better anyway. Or they could have cold-cuts - any number of alternatives!!!

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Glad you could use my thread for yet another bigoted comment.


It's a bigoted thread. Damn anti peanut-allergists.

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Ludicrous. People are overly sensitive these days and it's going to be civilization's downfall.

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Although I suppose if more schools were as strict at confiscating guns as this school seems to be about confiscating peanut butter sandwiches then the world might be a better place.

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I don't think that access to peanut butter sandwiches is a fundmental human right. Are the other kids so attached to their sandwich fillings that they would place the life of one of their peers at risk?


I think other kids should be able to eat what they want. Just because one whiner can't touch peanuts doesn't mean that every kid in the entire school shouldn't be able to eat peanut butter sandwiches. Absurd!!

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A tough question. I wonder whether the controversy would have existed at all if the school had talked to the parents and explained the situation before pronouncing their edict. Peanut allergies can be very severe, even just the smell can bring on reactions in some cases.

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Ludicrous. People are overly sensitive these days and it's going to be civilization's downfall.


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Just because one whiner can't touch peanuts


Exactly. That stupid kid should just pull himself together and think more positively. It's the equal-opportunity PC-freak propaganda that makes his throat swell shut if he eats any nut products.

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The really tragic thing is that the kid will be pegged throughout his school career as "the weirdo freak who got peanut butter banned."

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One whiner?

I think you mean, one kid who's parents are scared that he might get die. He and his classmates are 6 do you think it's possible that he might get food from one of the others without any of the kids knowing it has nuts in, and without the teacher noticing? I know most of you aren't parents but those who are, isn't it a reasonable precaution to want your child protected like this?

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Can't the kids just eat at a different table, or in a different room? And ask the other kids to wash their hands afterwards? Seems like an easier solution.

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The really tragic thing is that the kid will be pegged throughout his school career as "the weirdo freak who got peanut butter banned."


It'd be more tragic if he died though, wouldn't it? Or perhaps the bullying he'll receive as a result of this will drive him to suicide? It's a Catch-22.

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one kid who's parents are scared that he might get die.


I hear that Die is becoming more and more prevalent these days. I blame the doctor's over-prescribing antibiotics: we simply don't have the natural Die-resistance we used to back in the olden days.

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Of course, education suffers as resources are diverted from the class to spend on this one child:

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Alicia McCormack, chair of the school safety committee and first vice president of the Valle Verde PTA, worries that the salary for the nurse is the reason that the school, financially strapped like most in the state, has lost an instructional assistant.

"We made a real effort not to let the budget cuts affect our school," McCormack said. "But all I know is we are down one IA and up a nurse."

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The really tragic thing is that the kid will be pegged throughout his school career as "the weirdo freak who got peanut butter banned."


Yep, and some of the more bratty kids will make a new game - "trick so-and-so into eating peanut butter and die!" but all the sane ones realise the fact he could die and support it.

Atleast that's how it worked in my school. Heck, I once got beaten up by my grade 3 class mates for taking peanut butter cookies to school.

 
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