10-09-2003 20:42									#31
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet I hear that Die is becoming more and more prevalent these days. I blame the doctor's over-prescribing antibiotics: we simply don't have the natural Die-resistance we used to back in the olden days.

If you'd laughed at my Revells joke I could forgive that.

	10-09-2003 20:43									#32
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What you just described isn't really a catch-22, it's more like just a simple lose-lose situation.

	10-09-2003 20:44									#33
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quote: Although I suppose if more schools were as strict at confiscating guns as this school seems to be about confiscating peanut butter sandwiches then the world might be a better place.

The only way you're gettin' my peanut butter and jelly sandwich is to pry it outta MY COLD, DEAD HANDS.

	10-09-2003 20:44									#34
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Of course, education suffers as resources are diverted from the class to spend on this one child: quote: Alicia McCormack, chair of the school safety committee and first vice president of the Valle Verde PTA, worries that the salary for the nurse is the reason that the school, financially strapped like most in the state, has lost an instructional assistant. "We made a real effort not to let the budget cuts affect our school," McCormack said. "But all I know is we are down one IA and up a nurse."

Every school should have a nurse. I doubt this nurse is a personal assistant or superviser to this one kid. It may of been his allergy that prompted the school to hire the nurse but I'm sure they'll act as a school nurse.

	10-09-2003 20:46									#35
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH If you'd laughed at my Revells joke I could forgive that.

I've laughed at the Revells joke every single time I've heard it over the past 10 years, which is quite impressive considering how often that has been.

	10-09-2003 20:46									#36
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quote: I know most of you aren't parents but those who are, isn't it a reasonable precaution to want your child protected like this?

If you really are that scared, send your kid to private (public, in your neck of the woods) school. Don't force everyone else to give up their favorite food.

	10-09-2003 20:47									#37
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Badly handled by the school, I think, in terms of their failure to talk to the other parents first.

It's a tough one, because it does seem to be a life-threatening issue. So while my gut reaction is , one has to consider the possibility, however minute, that this child could die if he comes into contact with peanut oil.

Too bad, peanut butter is yummy.

-Arrian

	10-09-2003 20:47									#38
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I think its a reasonable reaction. The kids 5, so there is a still a chance he doesn't understand he's alergic to it, and so could easily touch/eat something with peanut in it. Furthermore, it's an extreme case. A don't weigh the freedom to eat peanuts anywhere near the life of a child. And as the passage states:

quote: There have been a couple of cases written up of reactions from people who experienced a reaction just touching or breathing peanut dust.

So if someone else has peanuts and he is close by and breathes it in?

Not only is he a 5 year old child, who may well not know that he can't eat peanut. But If the other kids knew they might decide to 'test' his allergy and so give soem too him (a bit older admittedly). Then add to that that proximity to peanuts, breathing in peanut dust, could set him off, and I think the reaction is justified.

What is the value of that 5 year olds life? What is the value of having those other kids able to eat peanuts in school? What is the probability that if they do that that kid dies? Multiply the probability of him dying with the value of his life, and see if it's higher than the value of eating peanuts, whatever you believe those values to be. I think it isn't worth the risk.

	10-09-2003 20:47									#39
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Osweld:

quote: Then they learned that a licensed vocational nurse has been hired to monitor the student.

	10-09-2003 20:47									#40
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 What you just described isn't really a catch-22, it's more like just a simple lose-lose situation.

I spotted that straight after I posted, but was too lazy to edit it out. I figured some smart ass would be along soon to correct it anyway.

	10-09-2003 20:48									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I know most of you aren't parents but those who are, isn't it a reasonable precaution to want your child protected like this? If you really are that scared, send your kid to private (public, in your neck of the woods) school. Don't force everyone else to give up their favorite food.

You do realise private schools have more then just one person in attendance, don't you?

	10-09-2003 20:48									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Heck, I once got beaten up by my grade 3 class mates for taking peanut butter cookies to school.

Maybe they just didn't like you.

	10-09-2003 20:49									#43
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet I've laughed at the Revells joke every single time I've heard it over the past 10 years, which is quite impressive considering how often that has been.

Excellent. Just like me with the Kingston joke.

	10-09-2003 20:50									#44
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quote: You do realise private schools have more then just one person in attendance, don't you?

Yeah, go to one that bans peanuts .

Don't force it on public schools. Or just make him eat lunch somewhere else, in a special place.

	10-09-2003 20:51									#45
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The kid should be asked to leave town, since it is named Walnut Grove, and any contact with it may kill him.

Seriously, I'm a bit torn on this one. While I do see the need to protect the child, this does seem a bit over the top. I would have to go along with those recommending home schooling.

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quote: Originally posted by JohnT quote: Then they learned that a licensed vocational nurse has been hired to monitor the student.

Like I said, his allergies prompted the hiring of a nurse. But to think the nurse is going to be monitoring one child 100% of her work time is ridiculous. It'll be a school nurse, not a child's nurse.

	10-09-2003 20:52									#47
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Solution: vegemite.

	10-09-2003 20:52									#48
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Just like me with the Kingston joke.

I'm gonna have to ask....

	10-09-2003 20:52									#49
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Maybe they just didn't like you.

Well, that too.

	10-09-2003 20:52									#50
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quote: Originally posted by rah The kid should be asked to leave town, since it is named Walnut Grove, and any contact with it may kill him. Seriously, I'm a bit torn on this one. While I do see the need to protect the child, this does seem a bit over the top. I would have to go along with those recommending home schooling.

So a perfectly normal kid with a problem that can be easily managed without any negative effect on the other children should be forced out of normal school? Very harsh solution it seems to me.

	10-09-2003 20:54									#51
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The negative effect is forcing them to not eat something that they and their parents want to. This also falls disproportionatly on the poor kids, because peanut butter and jelly is much cheaper than cold cut sandwiches .

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui If you really are that scared, send your kid to private (public, in your neck of the woods) school. Don't force everyone else to give up their favorite food.

So you have to pay to go to a different school because your child has a severe allergy? I think the state should help protect a child in the state education system, and I think just because he has an allergy does not make him any less entitled to an education.

quote: Originally posted by Arrian Badly handled by the school, I think, in terms of their failure to talk to the other parents first.

I agree, but the actual action is necessary IMHO. Though they should have informed the parents in advance.

	10-09-2003 20:55									#53
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quote: It shouldn't be that big of a deal. Surely kids can live without having PB&Js at school???? Cream cheese and jelly is 5 times better anyway. Or they could have cold-cuts - any number of alternatives!!!

amen.
all meat, all the time. nothing but roast beef for the kiddies. now that's a real lunch.

	10-09-2003 20:55									#54
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Since the school is aware, it's a moot question. They can't recind their order 'cuz they can still be held liable in court.

And having the disease-riddled vermin wash their hands a couple times a day isn't a bad idea. All schools should do that.

	10-09-2003 20:56									#55
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quote: Exactly. That stupid kid should just pull himself together and think more positively. It's the equal-opportunity PC-freak propaganda that makes his throat swell shut if he eats any nut products

No, it's the equal-opportunity PC-freak propaganda that let's one person direct policy for an entire group. I know severe allergies are nothing to laugh at, I have a few myself, but to restrict the school due to one child's intolerance to peanuts is crazy. What's this kid going to do when he gets older and has to interact with the real world? Walk into a deli and demand they eliminate all peanut particle contamination because the deli is within walking distance from his work and he wants to eat there?

I understand resonable precaution in this situation but the kid is going to have to learn to cope one day. Coddling him now will make him a less adjusted adult.

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quote: So you have to pay to go to a different school because your child has a severe allergy? I think the state should help protect a child in the state education system, and I think just because he has an allergy does not make him any less entitled to an education.

Well if the parents want the kid in a peanut free environment, they should pay for it, and not make the school pay for it and force the other kids to not eat peanuts.

Osweld said heartless Americans... yep, that's me . I don't give two shits about his ailment. If I wanna eat PB&J, you ain't taking that away from me!

	10-09-2003 20:56									#57
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Wouldn't it make equal sense to say that since so many of the kids are absolutely desperate to eat peanut butter sandwiches that they should go to a private school so they can indulge themselves?

This kid is going to a public school. Every reasonable effort should be made to see that he can attend it in safety. I think a rule that peanut oil isn't allowed is perfectly reasonable.

To me, the bottom line is that no child will be harmed if the peanut oil is banned. If the peanut oil is present then one child in the school will be exposed to the risk of death. The banning of peanut oil is a small price to pay.

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quote: all meat, all the time. nothing but roast beef for the kiddies

Think about the kids raised vegetarian who are probably allergic to meat .

	10-09-2003 20:58									#59
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Usually, kindergarteners keep their lunches in the room with them, Imran, so having the kid eat somewhere else is not a complete solution.

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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Like I said, his allergies prompted the hiring of a nurse. But to think the nurse is going to be monitoring one child 100% of her work time is ridiculous. It'll be a school nurse, not a child's nurse.

No, it is not ridiculous, it is distressingly common.