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Should Peanut butter be banned for the sake of one child? (Time out:0 days after 10-09-2003, 19:55)
Yes, the kid deserves the full right to attend school as everybody else.
No. That right does not extend to imposing dietary restrictions on the OTHER kids.
Damn good thing he ain't allergic to Bananas!
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JohnT is offline JohnT

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And that's the same sort of reaction the mother is claiming here... if he smells it, touches it, etc., the kid will die.

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if he smells it, touches it, etc., the kid will die.


I think I'd need some proof

Q: What if someone has a kid that is allergic to milk? Will they stop serving milk? What about a kid who is allergic to flowers? Will they remove all the flowers? What about dust?

Where does it end!!!

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Relatively nutritious? Yeah, I suppose that depends on relative to what. Ok, Peanut butter is pretty good but Jelly is what we call Jam right? Mostly sugar?

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He's in Walnut Creek, that ain't rural...



He's gots both his parents; besides, you make sacrifices to avoid death... At least I'd think...


These are all hypothetical; I didn't think he was your kid.

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Hypothetical? That's too big of a word for me... Anyway, you don't make decissions based on one factor alone, like the school board did.

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This isn't just about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches though. There are peanuts (nut oils) in hundreds of things, things most people wouldn't even think of - the article gave sunblock as an example. Cereals, crackers, ice cream, health bars, pastries, candy, dips, pasta sauce.... the list goes on and on.

The school would have to ban ALL these items if the child's allergy was as severe as they claim. If it is so severe, the child can not attend school normally because even contact with peanut oil or inhaling peanut dust will cause a potentially fatal reaction. But if the child's allergy is not so severe, the school should NOT have to ban peanuts. The child is old enough to understand "DO NOT EAT PEANUTS", and can be supervised during lunch with little or no burden placed on the other students.

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Ludicrous. People are overly sensitive these days and it's going to be civilization's downfall.




YOU HURT MY FEELINGS YOU BASTARD!


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And that's the same sort of reaction the mother is claiming here... if he smells it, touches it, etc., the kid will die.


I would find that kinda spurious. I think that the fact that kids are messy and would likely get their lunch on themselves presents the most serious danger.

Suffering a massive allergy attack is a horrible way to go. As your airways swell shut, you go into convulsions trying to get some air into your body. You panic.

I still remember how scared I was when I was five years old and had a massive asthma attack. This was before effective medication, and I wonder how my folks felt watchnig their son convulsing on the floor to get air.



Anyway, the difference is that the airline was providing the peanuts, and it doesn't inconvenience them to provide another snack instead. On the other hand, as you mentioned, PB&Js are a major staple of the American child's diet.

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If it is really that serious, then other kids couldn't even eat peanuts out of school, and they have to make sure the janitors aren't eating peanuts after school. Its a major burden on many people and the school, and it doesn't even gaurentee the child will be safe!

I have no doubt this will be a lawsuit before Christmas.

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I'm sure Imran can find somewhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution where it says that people have the right to liberty, pursuit of happiness and peanut butter.

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No who's stalking who?

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No who's stalking who?


You might want to edit your post -- I believe you meant the word "now" and not "no."

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Nazi .

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A kid at the (primary) school where my mother teaches had a severe allergy to peanuts. He'd go into anaphalactic shock and need a needle the size of a Prittstick stuck into his arm within three minutes to stop him dying. The school banned peanuts, told parents not to give their children peanuts or peanut butter. And the other kids mostly didn't mind, they wanted their friend to live... (in fact in several cases, other kids were harsher on peanut-bringers than the teachers were.)

If the allergy is that severe, banning peanuts is very sensible. Once he leaves primary school obviously his next school won't ban it. While he's young and there are kids even younger around making a mess, dropping sandwiches on the floor and stuff, its safer and easier to ban peanuts than to put his life at risk every day.

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THis is just stupid if you ask me.

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Nazi .


We can't have any miscommunication now, can we?

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The most obvious solution is surely to have specialist schools for super-allergic children.

Where are all these allergies come from? And more importantly, how can we stop them from appearing?

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The most obvious solution is surely to have specialist schools for super-allergic children.


Yup, and send the gays there too! Don't want any more people catching that bug.

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Oh, come on, that's totally different. It is simply a waste of school resources to be both a education facilty and a peanut-free allergy-proof zone.

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Yup, and send the gays there too! Don't want any more people catching that bug.


Too late -- I have been spreading the gay-conversion fairy dust all around the world.




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I know, and I am coming to stop youand your little dog too!...wait.

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If the boy needs such specialized care then I suggest he go to a special school and not public school.

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I know, and I am coming to stop youand your little dog too!...wait.


But the house is going to fall on you any minute now.

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I know, and I am coming to stop youand your little dog too!...wait.



a fixation on Judy Garland, eh?

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I dig alcoholics

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She was a mean drunk

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IIRC, she also was a drug addict.

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Well, I eat PB&J sandwiches at work a couple of days each week and there is a nursery group in the same building. If they ask for a peanut free zone they can have one - somewhere else!

Seriously, a lot of processed food in the UK which doesn't contain nuts is labelled that it might have been contaminated with traces of nuts because other food made with the same machinery did include nuts. Is banning peanuts gong to be enough? or will they end up banning all food not certified nut free?

I am against this, even if kids die, simply because people like this kid's parents and the peanut-nazi's at the school won't stop until nuts are banned for everyone, everywhere starting with the education system. First litigation crazy USA, then the EU, then the rest of the world.

The issue seems to be that 50 years ago kids died for unexplained reasons and child mortality rates were higher than now. 100 years ago they were a lot higher. Nowadays we have virtually eliminated many of the diseases that used to kill children so these allergies are more noticeable and medical science just loves discovering and naming new conditions, preferably fatal ones.

Modern western society is just too sensitive about the fact that everyone dies sooner or later in one way or another.

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And if people thought like you 100 years ago kids would still be dropping like flies.

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Hey -- no thread-jacking back to the original topic.

It's about Judy Garland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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