11-09-2003 01:05									#121
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I think Judy Garland and Liza Minelli are responsible for this sudden increase in peanut allergies... just odd..

	11-09-2003 01:07									#122
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"thEY DON'T KNOW ME. tHEY don't know anything ABOUT ME!" Judy talkin about people who call her a drunk on her private tapes (she was writing a book). She was slurnig her speech when she said this.

	11-09-2003 01:09									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Japher He's in Walnut Creek, that ain't rural...

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	11-09-2003 01:13									#124
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara "thEY DON'T KNOW ME. tHEY don't know anything ABOUT ME!" Judy talkin about people who call her a drunk on her private tapes (she was writing a book). She was slurnig her speech when she said this.

I am not sure, but did she commit suicide on the same day of the official opening of the World Trade Center?

	11-09-2003 01:14									#125
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara And if people thought like you 100 years ago kids would still be dropping like flies.

If it is such a big issue it's about time someone found a way to prevent these allergy attacks by treating the potential victim so they don't have the reaction to nuts rather than forcibly reorganising the lives of however many other people.

	11-09-2003 02:12									#126
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I want my question answered, damn it.

	11-09-2003 02:13									#127
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I want my question answered, damn it.

www.google.com

	11-09-2003 02:28									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Utter nonsense. Why should your allergy require that other people in a public school change their dietary habits? If you are that bad with allergies don't send your kid to a public school.

Because if the allegic kid could eat some and DIE! There is no shortage of other foods the district can serve.

	11-09-2003 02:34									#129
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i say let the kid die. he wasnt cut out for the world before him.

	11-09-2003 02:35									#130
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quote: There is no shortage of other foods the district can serve.

Who is talking about serving anything? These are kids bringing their OWN lunches! They choose to make these sandwichs and bring them for lunch. Why should one kid make the entire group change their dietary habits?

	11-09-2003 02:47									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Why should one kid make the entire group change their dietary habits?

Why should a five year old die for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

	11-09-2003 02:49									#132
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Why should an entire class be forbidden from eating peanuts because a student may possibly die somehow, if a teacher isn't doing her job and making sure the kid doesn't eat peanuts.

	11-09-2003 02:52									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Why should an entire class be forbidden from eating peanuts because a student may possibly die somehow, if a teacher isn't doing her job and making sure the kid doesn't eat peanuts.

Why should a kid die because one of his friends coughs while eating his sandwich and spits peanut bits at him?

	11-09-2003 02:54									#134
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Because the kid has the right to eat peanut butter sandwiches . The allergic kid can deal... maybe he should get his own bubble.

	11-09-2003 03:13									#135
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"the right to eat peanut butter sandwiches"
Is that in the constitution?

	11-09-2003 03:17									#136
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My son should be able to use his school for gunpractice. I mean, why should the schools be able to reorganize MY sons life just so some kids who aren't immune to bullets can live?

This is why we should privatize the education system.

	11-09-2003 03:51									#137
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This topic is really bringing out some interesting (read: , ) perspectives.

Imran, I wonder what they would say if this kid was son of the richest person in town, a CEO worth $125,000,000? Or somebody making "just" $350,000? Would they be complaining about how one rich brat forced a school to do this because Daddy was too cheap to send him to a private school?

To the Left it all comes down to affordability... if the parents can afford it, they should send him to a school that is more able to meet his needs (or cough up the dough that the public school has to shell out for this).

And, you know, in this case that is precisely the right answer - for once, I agree with my "brothers" across the border. Assuming this childs family isn't capable of readily paying for special schooling, then me AND my daughter, as a beneficiary of the public school system, are responsible for taking reasonable measures to allow as many children as possible the right to learn.

Being denied peanut butter lunches at school for a year or two is not a grave handicap, even if it affects other poor people whom rely on the cost and convenience of PB to quickly make their kids lunch. In fact, if approached right (something the school obviously did NOT do), is that situations like this help teach children about charity and sacrifice* - if Sophie were to be a child in this classroom, that is how I would approach it.

Personally, I would be ashamed if I were to look a 5 year old in the face (FIVE!!!) and say "my daughters right to eat a specific, non-required-for-her-health food obviates your right to an education and a normal social life." Because the child is the one whom you are telling this to - not the parents. If I got in front of the PTA and whined about this, I would probably be ashamed through the rest of my days.

*Anybody remember my thread re: moral teaching in an irreligious household? Is this not the perfect opportunity to demonstrate to her the meanings of these words?

	11-09-2003 03:53									#138
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 i say let the kid die. he wasnt cut out for the world before him.

I'm sorry to say but this is an absolutely disgusting sentiment.

No, wait: I'm not sorry. That was beneath you, MRT, and the others on this thread (if y'all exist - I'm not going back to check) whom posted the same.

	11-09-2003 05:00									#139
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Nut allergies are some of the worst there are!

A year or two ago in the UK a rising star in British Athletics (don't laugh - this is a serious story!) died because he ate a chicken sandwich...

...that had be cross contaminated by the maker using a knife that had previously spread peanut butter!

Personally I think it is f*cked that some of you are whining about 'losing your freedom of choice' when a child's life is at risk.

The child is 5 for christ's sake, kids that age swap their food, eat stuff that's dropped on the floor - all sorts of sh*t... The kid could DIE!!!

So stop for one second and think about what it would be like to be in the shoes of the parents whose kid is so afflicted (through no fault of their own) wondering if he might accidentally eat something containing nuts and die...

F*ck it! If it is that important you can force feed your brats with peanut butter till it comes out their ears once they return from 'school diet nazi hell'!

You can guess which way I voted...

	11-09-2003 05:14									#140
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nuts and peanut butter are banned in most pre-schools here. Kids with the allergy can die after contact with even a minute quantity.

I don't mind the ban if it saves little kids from suffering.

	11-09-2003 05:16									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat "the right to eat peanut butter sandwiches" Is that in the constitution?

That what I was wondering earlier, myself.

	11-09-2003 05:32									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse nuts and peanut butter are banned in most pre-schools here. Kids with the allergy can die after contact with even a minute quantity. I don't mind the ban if it saves little kids from suffering.

	11-09-2003 05:34									#143
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Peanut allergies can cause reaction from just smelling it, if the case is severe enough.

If that's so, then, yes, I value one LIFE over a bunch of brat's sandwiches. In fact the kids will probably like not being able to eat peanut butter--I hated the frigging stuff. A ban at my school would've been awesome. "Mom you can't give me a peanut butter sandwich, it's banned!"

	11-09-2003 07:09									#144
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet It'd be more tragic if he died though, wouldn't it? Or perhaps the bullying he'll receive as a result of this will drive him to suicide? It's a Catch-22.

If he died of peanut poisoning that would be sad. If he commits suicide over being teased, he is a wimp like you.

	11-09-2003 07:11									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Yep, and some of the more bratty kids will make a new game - "trick so-and-so into eating peanut butter and die!" but all the sane ones realise the fact he could die and support it. Atleast that's how it worked in my school. Heck, I once got beaten up by my grade 3 class mates for taking peanut butter cookies to school.

Why don't we just make the kid carry a sign around his neck that says "NO PEANUTS!" That would help remind the other kids not to feed him. No one would tease him, I'm sure.

	11-09-2003 07:13									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Well, that too.

Wonder why...

	11-09-2003 07:14									#147
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH So a perfectly normal kid with a problem that can be easily managed without any negative effect on the other children should be forced out of normal school? Very harsh solution it seems to me.

Put him in the John Travolta bubble.

	11-09-2003 07:14									#148
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Life, liberty, and pursuit of peanut butter . . .

or something like that, I guess.

	11-09-2003 07:16									#149
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Wouldn't it make equal sense to say that since so many of the kids are absolutely desperate to eat peanut butter sandwiches that they should go to a private school so they can indulge themselves? This kid is going to a public school. Every reasonable effort should be made to see that he can attend it in safety. I think a rule that peanut oil isn't allowed is perfectly reasonable. To me, the bottom line is that no child will be harmed if the peanut oil is banned. If the peanut oil is present then one child in the school will be exposed to the risk of death. The banning of peanut oil is a small price to pay.

You are a socialist moron.

	11-09-2003 07:19									#150
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Mobius just brought up a great point, cross contamination.

What if the kid eats someone else's food which was cross contaminated by their parents? What if one of the janitors is eating peanuts while cleaning up but leaves a few behind or they fall underneath something and the kid eats them? What if some other kid brings in some cereal with nut oils in it?

LAWSUIT! "Why oh why didn't the school do something to protect my child!"

If the kid's allergy is so severe, there needs to be constant supervision. Yes its taking away the kid's rights, but last I checked abortion is legal - so don't start *****ing about this.