11-09-2003 07:23									#151
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara And if people thought like you 100 years ago kids would still be dropping like flies.

It's an excuse for more procreation. Take off the rubber.

	11-09-2003 07:26									#152
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The point is constant supervision is impossible. How can one teacher check everything that goes into the kids mouth hasn't even touched anything that had penuts in it? A simpler solution is to remove penuts from the equation until the kid and all his peers are more mature.

As a side note, my local supermarket doesn't even stock satay kebabs anymore because the risk of cross-contamination (and a resultant lawsuit) is too great.

TCO - 5 posts almost in a row and you have yet to make a point.

	11-09-2003 07:26									#153
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Nut allergies are some of the worst there are! A year or two ago in the UK a rising star in British Athletics (don't laugh - this is a serious story!) died because he ate a chicken sandwich... ...that had be cross contaminated by the maker using a knife that had previously spread peanut butter! Personally I think it is f*cked that some of you are whining about 'losing your freedom of choice' when a child's life is at risk. The child is 5 for christ's sake, kids that age swap their food, eat stuff that's dropped on the floor - all sorts of sh*t... The kid could DIE!!! So stop for one second and think about what it would be like to be in the shoes of the parents whose kid is so afflicted (through no fault of their own) wondering if he might accidentally eat something containing nuts and die... F*ck it! If it is that important you can force feed your brats with peanut butter till it comes out their ears once they return from 'school diet nazi hell'! You can guess which way I voted...

I also think it would be reasonalbe to get an independant assesment of the severaity of the kid's condition. Will he just get sick and be in pain if there is an accident or is it truly life-threatening.

	11-09-2003 07:28									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns TCO - 5 posts almost in a row and you have yet to make a point.

This is a fun thread. Besides, I like to spam in the OT, not the Community forum like you.

	11-09-2003 08:11									#155
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quote: Besides, I like to spam in the OT

That's nice, but can't you go somewhere and do it alone? When you do it in public, it just makes you look like a wanker.

	11-09-2003 08:53									#156
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didn't realize peanut butter is a hot-button issue . . .

	11-09-2003 10:02									#157
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye quote: Besides, I like to spam in the OT That's nice, but can't you go somewhere and do it alone? When you do it in public, it just makes you look like a wanker.

careful mindseye - he'll put you his ignore list

	11-09-2003 15:31									#158
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quote: Originally posted by TCO You are a socialist moron.

	11-09-2003 16:01									#159
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Careful GP, your true colours are showing through, calling people names and stuff...

quote: Originally posted by TCO I also think it would be reasonalbe to get an independant assesment of the severaity of the kid's condition. Will he just get sick and be in pain if there is an accident or is it truly life-threatening.

Yeah right - here kid, we're going to make you really ill just to see how ill you can get. Oops we killed him! NEXT...

I think the assessment would have been made when the kid was first found to be allergic - that would most likely have been don by a doctor and therefore independent...

Really GP with points like that, you should stick to making an arse of yourself because apparently that seems to be the only thing you're good at!

	11-09-2003 17:09									#160
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I'll say it again as no-one took the bait from my previous post.

The logical conclusion of all this, because of the risk of cross contamination, is to ban ALL nut products from food. That is the only way to ensure that a relatively small proportion of the population don't have their nut allergies triggered.

On the other hand nuts are an important dietary item for people, like me, who don't eat bits of dead mammals - also for health reasons.

So whose rights prevail? And to what extent?

I don't think that banning peanuts from the entire school is either practical or reasonable. It is excessive, even allowing for the risk to life.

It is one thing to be asked to make a sacrifice and give up something, particularly a non-essential item, it is something else to be forced to do so.

Did the school have an absolute obligation to accept this child? Or could they have refused on the grounds that his condition made demands that they could not accommodate?

	11-09-2003 17:38									#161
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Adults can make decisions and take care of themselves much better than a kid in kindergarten can. There is no need to totally ban nuts from the face of the earth.

Sometimes I wish they would, though.

	11-09-2003 17:48									#162
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Especially the Left wing kind, eh Skanky?

	11-09-2003 18:04									#163
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV Did the school have an absolute obligation to accept this child? Or could they have refused on the grounds that his condition made demands that they could not accommodate?

In the UK at least schools are obliged to provide access for students in wheelchairs. This often involves resources being spent on putting in ramps and lifts etc etc.
Do you think that policy is reasonable? If so, how does it differ from the nut allergy example?

	11-09-2003 18:18									#164
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I think it is a great idea to ban peanut butter. Maybe these kids will have to taste something actually good

ALL HAIL THE WORLD BAN ON PEANUT BUTTER !

	11-09-2003 18:31									#165
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PEANUT BUTTER ROCKS!!!! DOWN WITH THE PB OPPRESSORS!!!!

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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet In the UK at least schools are obliged to provide access for students in wheelchairs. This often involves resources being spent on putting in ramps and lifts etc etc. Do you think that policy is reasonable? If so, how does it differ from the nut allergy example?

It isn't an absolute obligation to modify buildings. They can decide not to do it if it costs too much or the school is a listed building and they can't get permission for the work.

The difference is that providing disabled access doesn't take anything away from the non-disabled pupils in terms of their ability to move around the school. They aren't obliged to attend school in a wheelchair.

	11-09-2003 19:59									#167
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So are Democrats generally in favor of the right to peanut butter and the Republicans oppose everyone having access to peanut butter?

I'm not sure.

	12-09-2003 04:27									#168
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Careful GP, your true colours are showing through, calling people names and stuff... Yeah right - here kid, we're going to make you really ill just to see how ill you can get. Oops we killed him! NEXT... I think the assessment would have been made when the kid was first found to be allergic - that would most likely have been don by a doctor and therefore independent... Really GP with points like that, you should stick to making an arse of yourself because apparently that seems to be the only thing you're good at!

Some of the comments in some of the linked stories said that it was likely that the danger was being exaggerated. It would be good to look at this issue. I would not support testing that would endanger the child.

	12-09-2003 04:28									#169
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Careful GP, your true colours are showing through, calling people names and stuff...

True.

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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet

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	12-09-2003 07:45									#172
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Kindergarten is a messy place. Kids get food all over themselves and everything else. But having the lunch-nazi search is going too far. They should have called a meeting with the parents or even just composed a letter to send home with all the kids.

	12-09-2003 09:30									#173
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Especially the Left wing kind, eh Skanky?

I'll bet if one of your kids had the peanut allergy your views on this issue would be quite different.

	12-09-2003 09:32									#174
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Well, I did know some kids in school that had allergies to peanuts.

They had to carry around a big syringe. In case they came down with the allergy, they (or someone else) had to take out the syringe and stab themselves in the heart before it was too late.

	12-09-2003 11:35									#175
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Home schooling is not that bad, and would be a viable option.

However, I think we should all listen to the kids on this one. The kids seem to have no problem enforcing a no-peanut butter rule amongst themselves simply because they understand that their friend might die.

Should that not be our approach as well?

What's a little less PB&J for a friend?

	12-09-2003 12:06									#176
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I think we are all missing the point in the measures being taken because of one child?

For christ's sake, just make a set time a lunchtime or whatever you Yanks call it for eating (~10 mins). After that, food ist verboten, and everyone can play nice. That would solve a host of other problems too

Make the school nurse check on him once a day at the most.

Comprimise!!!

	12-09-2003 12:47									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker They had to carry around a big syringe. In case they came down with the allergy, they (or someone else) had to take out the syringe and stab themselves in the heart before it was too late.

Good preparation for a Tarantino film part

	12-09-2003 13:27									#178
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Tell me, is peanut butter healthy? Why can't they eat potatoes?

	12-09-2003 14:24									#179
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The Eurosensatives don't get to look down on us capital-punishment-loving gun-loving, Indian-killing, Mexican-land-stealing thugs then. We gotta live down to their hand-wringing view of us.

	12-09-2003 14:27									#180
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We euro's don't dislike americans in general. We dislike stupid americans.

Well, I do.