15-09-2003 19:04									#121
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To be honest, even though I am a true and ture European, I can see why the Swedes have voted No, and would probably have done the same in their turn.

The EU is in a mess at the moment. Certain countries are allowed to run up their deficits and as such inflict their economic woes on the rest of the Euro zone. Why would a smaller economy want to join only to be dominated by the mismanagement of the french and german economies.

It doesn't help that the basic set up of the EU is not particularly democratically transparent either.

	15-09-2003 19:07									#122
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Q: should Germany force all European country to introduce euro currency?

	15-09-2003 19:09									#123
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How exactly are we doing it? Do we threat them with French nuclear weapons

	15-09-2003 19:12									#124
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yes

	15-09-2003 20:50									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Geography challenged?

Only tired

	15-09-2003 21:00									#126
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The EU cannot effectively force member states to control their deficits, as the French and Germans have demenstraed, thus in the long run it will be hard to prevent the Euro from becoming a weak currency like the Lira.

	15-09-2003 21:42									#127
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro How exactly are we doing it? Do we threat them with French nuclear weapons

No, economic instability.

Look at the specific passage I quoted -- it stank of a veiled threat, hence my comment.

	15-09-2003 22:53									#128
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andy, remember your countries last two attempt to force a european union didn't go so well

	15-09-2003 22:56									#129
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Third time lucky.

	16-09-2003 03:56									#130
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nm

	16-09-2003 04:03									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The EU cannot effectively force member states to control their deficits, as the French and Germans have demenstraed, thus in the long run it will be hard to prevent the Euro from becoming a weak currency like the Lira.

... or the Dollar, for that matter. Speaking of deficits, how is yours doing?

	16-09-2003 14:06									#132
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Would Ireland,Greece,Belgium be allowed to run defecits I don't think so. That is a danger to democracy

	16-09-2003 14:09									#133
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This isn't democracy, this is the European Union IE the revival of Great Francia

	16-09-2003 14:09									#134
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Beware of teutonicus furor!

	16-09-2003 14:12									#135
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Sorry for not responding earlier, Ecth, it happens that I have to work for my money.

You can have a look at http://www.vladimir-vysotsky.de to get some info.

	16-09-2003 14:13									#136
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Are you implying my parents do not work for my money?

	16-09-2003 14:16									#137
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My parents are retirees, so I have to work for their money as well. And for the living of my son, who is studying. Duh, it's about time that I do a bit for myself too.

Sorry for the cross-thread reference, btw.

	16-09-2003 14:18									#138
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I'll be a student soon myself. I always thought you were about average Apolyton age. Now I see you're 34 soon, so how can your son be studying? Early fatherhood?

oh, and: join the Euro, Sweden!

	16-09-2003 14:22									#139
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I'm 45 (born 1958). It's Apolyton screwing my birth date.

	16-09-2003 16:08									#140
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that's fair enough then.

	16-09-2003 16:14									#141
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What we need now is a new Wallenstein beating up the Swedes. Discuss.

	16-09-2003 16:32									#142
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Why punishing them? I don't give a wet fart on what currency they use. For their inland production it doesn't matter. In exports, they carry a currency risk, while their competitors in Euro countries do not. Imports will get more expensive, because the EU importer will take more money for him taking the currency risk. Foreign investments will be lowered for the same reason (and not because the EU is an evil empire according to some oversea trolls).

It's up to the Swedes. They decided not to, oh well, their loss. I didn't plan to travel there anytime soon, anyway. It's cold enough here.