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flipside
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for Sean Marcelo
Jun 2003
time: 05:30
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Originally posted by finbar
Well, he's picking to his own criteria - established in his opening paragraphs. You may be right, though. |
Yeah, he is picking the forwards to a criteria that he has established for us, you are totally right.
My kinda loose point is that to play the kind of rugby that Campo is talking about, you need to get a firm platform from which to do it.
Is it possible to have this integration between forwards and backs? What if the forwards may not be able to secure enough ball to do it?
The basic thing I was always taught was, WIN the ball and THEN EXPRESS your personality.
The last paragraph where he believes that " as a pack" this team is the best is the one I really would question.
I think against a good forward team that Campo's team would struggle. Can players express themselves without a platform?
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:30
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Originally posted by flipside
I think against a good forward team that Campo's team would struggle. Can players express themselves without a platform? |
I think you have to bear in mind that Campo's mind can sometimes, um, work in mysterious ways. He's picked a pack to support his thesis. And Campo's thesis, to Campo, is always right. To Campo, there is never any alternative. So, in Campo's mind, his chosen pack will win the ball every time as a precursor to spreading it around.
OTOH, in terms of acquaintanceship, reality and the workings of Campo's mind are barely on nodding terms. You're right - a team needs a platform beore it can express itself. BTW, that's exactly my concern about the ABs over the next couple of months. Do they have the platform against the best opposition?
But I digress. You could pick a stronger pack than Campo's. Keith Wood at hooker, for starters, would eat Mealamu. In the front row, Meeuws is used off the AB bench as an impact player and Campo has picked him for that attribute. Meeuws' compatriot, Somerville, is a stronger scrummager. I don't have a real problem with Campo's second row. There are a number of good locks around who could partner J****. I also think that J**** is the key to this pack, just as he's the key to England's pack. His sheer presence, strength and nouse counts for much. He will lift those around him.
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flipside
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for Sean Marcelo
Jun 2003
time: 05:30
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I'll bite.
Firstly, Do you really think that it will be the NH forwards and backs that will struggle in the heat ? They won't be the ones that spend all their time tackling.
Secondly, How much do you think that this WC is pivotal in whether rugby becomes a homogenised running game like rugby league or retains it's traditional values and skill sets?
Thirdly, How badly are the Puma's gonna kill the Aus forwards in the opener? I mean, no ball carrier now that Kefu is injured (George Smith is okay though), average line out, weak tight game (Young, Cannon, Darwin)?
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:30
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Originally posted by flipside
Firstly, Do you really think that it will be the NH forwards and backs that will struggle in the heat ? They won't be the ones that spend all their time tackling. |
Everyone will suffer in the heat, just some more than others. The Australians are obviously used to living with heat, but obviously don't play in it. Our "rugby season" finished a few weeks ago. Our cricket season is under way. In fact, the Wallabies just spent a week training in tropical Darwin to acclimatise themselves.
And that's the thing. In Sydney and Brisbane, the humidity factor is high and that's the killer. The temp might only be 25C, but the humidity can be 70+%. In Brisbane, temps will be into the 30s with at least 70% humidity. In fact, arguably, the runners and tacklers, with less body fat, will cope better than the big men - the forwards. It will be like playing in a sauna for them.
Teams based away from Sydney and Brisbane - Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth - will have a much easier time of it. The humidity factor is much much less in those places. Their disadvantage, of course, will be running into the humidity if they make it to the final rounds. Japan - based in Townsville, several hours north of Brisbane, and in the tropics - well, I wish them luck.
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Secondly, How much do you think that this WC is pivotal in whether rugby becomes a homogenised running game like rugby league or retains it's traditional values and skill sets? |
I don't think the WRC is pivotal at all. Those questions are constantly being posed and answered. In this forum too. Go back and read some of Tamerlin's posts. You shouldn't have trouble finding them, just look for a plethora of  s.  Frankly, I think the old so-called division between the two styles broke down quite a few years ago. France have always played a mixture of the styles, even if their backline involvement wasn't as structured as the SH style. And England, over the last 5 years, have gradually developed a style that combines the two. Bottom line - IMHO, rugby will never turn into L*****, despite Tamerlin's tirade of s.
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Thirdly, How badly are the Puma's gonna kill the Aus forwards in the opener? I mean, no ball carrier now that Kefu is injured (George Smith is okay though), average line out, weak tight game (Young, Cannon, Darwin)? |
As I've said many times, barring remarkable improvement, our forwards are always going to struggle against any pack with a touch of class about it. It has for the last couple of years. The problem is, and it extends to elsewhere in the team, our admin has overlooked generational change. Noriega was kept on when obviously past his prime. There were young players coming through - Baxter, Dunning - but they were overlooked until it was too late. Suddenly, they're going to be tossed in at the deep end. I suppose some could argue that there's precedent - Timmy Horan, Jason Little, Phil Kearns - for producing fine players from nowhere with nil experience, but it's gambling. Frankly, I think it's just bad management.
On a completely unrelated note, my urge to escape this sh*thole of a country has just increased with a judicial ruling here that Roquefort cheese cannot be imported from France. Our authorities require milk products to be pasteurised - heated to 72 degrees for no less than 15 seconds to destroy bacteria. Roquefort is heated only to 32 degrees. Despite the fact that no one has been known to have died from eating Roquefort anywhere in the world, it's not allowed into this country. Nor, in fact, into New Zealand. The only two countries with such stupid, archaic regulations.
It's the same sort of medieval thinking that prevents us importing uncooked meats - prosciutto, pancetta, etc - from Italy!
Where's my passport! Move over, Tamerlin, here I come!
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Tamerlin
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Toulouse (South-western France)
Apr 2002
time: 06:30
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quote:
Originally posted by finbar
Everyone will suffer in the heat, just some more than others. The Australians are obviously used to living with heat, but obviously don't play in it. Our "rugby season" finished a few weeks ago. Our cricket season is under way. In fact, the Wallabies just spent a week training in tropical Darwin to acclimatise themselves. |
The conditions will be the same for everybody so I don't think this will really be a problem. 
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I don't think the WRC is pivotal at all. Those questions are constantly being posed and answered. In this forum too. Go back and read some of Tamerlin's posts. You shouldn't have trouble finding them, just look for a plethora of s. Frankly, I think the old so-called division between the two styles broke down quite a few years ago. France have always played a mixture of the styles, even if their backline involvement wasn't as structured as the SH style. And England, over the last 5 years, have gradually developed a style that combines the two. Bottom line - IMHO, rugby will never turn into L*****, despite Tamerlin's tirade of s. |
On this point I can't agree with you and I really think our favorite game is facing a dire threat. IMO it is vital that a Northern Hemisphere team wins this World Cup if we don't want this game to become a Rugby L***** pudding played by 15 players, you know that I think this is almost already the case in the SH. IMO, the changes are vehicled by the referees encouraged to do so by the pundits investing large amounts of money in our beloved game. The problem is that a new victory by a SH team could accelerate the process when a victory by a NH team could slow down this decay or put an end to it.
Another big problem is that this RWC will be helmed by the same referees that are encouraged to alter the game to suit the investors' needs.
This is the reason why I really hope England (I have abandonned all hope as far as the French team is concerned) will kick all those heretics out of Australia.
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On a completely unrelated note, my urge to escape this sh*thole of a country has just increased with a judicial ruling here that Roquefort cheese cannot be imported from France. Our authorities require milk products to be pasteurised - heated to 72 degrees for no less than 15 seconds to destroy bacteria. Roquefort is heated only to 32 degrees. Despite the fact that no one has been known to have died from eating Roquefort anywhere in the world, it's not allowed into this country. Nor, in fact, into New Zealand. The only two countries with such stupid, archaic regulations. |
I would bet the USA are not far away from such kind of regulations... 
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It's the same sort of medieval thinking that prevents us importing uncooked meats - prosciutto, pancetta, etc - from Italy!
Where's my passport! Move over, Tamerlin, here I come! |
I am gladly offering you a place to stay (my appartment will be a bit overcrowded but this is a matter of duty) and the political refugee status.
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