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Oerdin is offline Oerdin
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The Earth Liberation Front (ELF) is a radical leftist enviromental group who opposes any new construction by humans and who engages in arson and vandalism. In the last two years ELF has set fire to construction sites and recreational facities (such as a Sky Chalet in Wyoming) doing more then $100 million dollars in damages and the FBI has named ELF an Eco-terrorist organization. Why do I care? Because it seems there is an active ELF cell right here in San Diego where I live.

Last night ELF set fire to six homes on two different construction sites in the San Diego area. This is on top of an August fire at a San Diego apartment complex under construction that caused $50 million in damage.
This morning's damage could have been much worse except and we're lucky that nearby residents saw the fires right after they were set and called the Fire Department.

So what is your take on this? Is ELF a terror organization or are they just valient protectors of the natural world? Is arson and vandalism justified or should we toss these fools in the slammer and throw away the key?

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Oh, yeah. The FBI also believes ELF is probably involed in the $1 million arson at a Los Angles area Hummer dealership last month. It made CNN, Fox, and the other major networks so you might remember hearing about it.

HERE is the article from the San Diego Union-Tribune article from this mornings arson attack.

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I wouldn´t call it terror, it simply sounds stupid what they do

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Elves - love 'em or loathe 'em, it's dumb to ignore them.

Can't see why they don't torch oil facilities but maybe they're working up to that.

What I really don't understand is why they don't do positive stuff to prevent damage to the environment, rather than torching property. It does nothing good for the ozone layer or global warming.

Arseholes looking for attention. Lock 'em up.

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Yes it's terrorism, and fire spreads and can kill people.

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HERE is the testimony of James F. Jarboe
Domestic Terrorism Section Chief Counterterrorism Division Federal Bureau of Investigation on the threat of Eco-Terrorism which he gave before the House Resources Committee Subcommittee on Forests and Forest Health in Feb. of last year.

He defines different types of terrorism and then explains the origins and past histories of several of the largest eco-terrorist organizations. It's funny but both of the two largest eco-terrorist groups started out in England. I wonder why there are so many violent prone eviromental groups in England.

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Here's an interesting section from the aboved linked speech about ELF:
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The ALF and the ELF have jointly claimed credit for several raids including a November 1997 attack of the Bureau of Land Management wild horse corrals near Burns, Oregon, where arson destroyed the entire complex resulting in damages in excess of four hundred and fifty thousand dollars and the June 1998 arson attack of a U.S. Department of Agriculture Animal Damage Control Building near Olympia, Washington, in which damages exceeded two million dollars. The ELF claimed sole credit for the October 1998, arson of a Vail, Colorado, ski facility in which four ski lifts, a restaurant, a picnic facility and a utility building were destroyed. Damage exceeded $12 million. On 12/27/1998, the ELF claimed responsibility for the arson at the U.S. Forest Industries Office in Medford, Oregon, where damages exceeded five hundred thousand dollars. Other arsons in Oregon, New York, Washington, Michigan, and Indiana have been claimed by the ELF. Recently, the ELF has also claimed attacks on genetically engineered crops and trees. The ELF claims these attacks have totaled close to $40 million in damages.


It's also interesting to note that the FBI believes theat the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) has effectively merged with the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) so that Alf/ELF now forms one big happy eco-terrorism organization.

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I wonder why there are so many violent prone eviromental groups in England.


Because civil disobedience to development work ("tree huggers") are very common here, and come from a wide social background.

Threaten to issue everyone with ID cards or take DNA samples from everyone, not too many people are upset.

Take out a chainsaw on a 300 year old oak tree and you'll be publicly ridiculed, demonstrated against, the whole civil disobedience deal.

HOWEVER, distruction of property is not such a popular means of protest. It happens, but usually such protests take the form of "human shields" and locking yourself onto the ground being demolished/bulldozed.

Violent protest is NOT a majority occupation here - and people who burn things are seen as vandals just the same as big business developers.

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Ok, I can understand why these guys would want to burn ski lodges because they don't like people going into the woods and bothering all of the little furry creatures, I can also understand during down car dealerships which sell SUVs, I can even follow their twisted logic why they'd want burn down condos and houses since they're against urban sprawl (though the $50 million dollar condos they burned down two months ago in San Diego was a redevelopment project which didn't develop any new land). The one thing which I don't understand is why they'd burn down a US Navy recruiting center.

How does that help furry little animals? Never the less earlier this year ELF claimed responsibility for burning down a Navy recruiting center in Montgomery, Alabama and for spray painting anti war slogans upon cars and nearby businesses. I can only think that these nutjobs are just idiot fringe leftists who like to burn things.

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Something like the US navy has a LOT of nuclear reactors which creates a lot of nuclear waste, which is bad for little furry creatures?

Isn't the US Navy also the second largest airforce in the world (after the USAF) so maybe something to do with all that jet fuel emission in the upper atmosphere...

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Ok, I can follow that logic.

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There's nothign more enviromentally damaging then the military and war.

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What about an enormous volcanic eruption or a strike from a giant meteor?

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What about an enormous volcanic eruption or a strike from a giant meteor?


What about it?

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Both more environmentally damaging than war.

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Just wait untill we build a doom star.

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Is that like a Deathstar only different?

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Did they ever catch a member of elf or alf after comiting some crime?

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Did they ever catch a member of elf or alf after comiting some crime?


From the speech linked above:
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The FBI and our law enforcement partners have made a number of arrests of individuals alleged to have perpetrated acts of eco-terrorism. Several of these individuals have been successfully prosecuted. Following the investigation of the Phoenix, Arizona, arsons noted earlier, Mark Warren Sands was indicted and arrested on 6/14/2001. On 11/07/2001, Sands pleaded guilty to ten counts of extortion and using fire in the commission of a federal felony.

In February 2001, teenagers Jared McIntyre, Matthew Rammelkamp, and George Mashkow all pleaded guilty, as adults, to title 18 U.S.C. 844(i), Arson, and 844(n), Arson Conspiracy. These charges pertain to a series of arsons and attempted arsons of new home construction sites in Long Island, New York. An adult, Connor Cash, was also arrested on February 15, 2001, and charged under the same federal statutes. Jared McIntrye stated that these acts were committed in sympathy of the ELF movement. The New York Joint Terrorism Task Force played a significant role in the arrest and prosecution of these individuals.

On 1/23/2001, Frank Ambrose was arrested by officers of the Department of Natural Resources with assistance from the Indianapolis JTTF, on a local warrant out of Monroe County Circuit Court, Bloomington, Indiana, charging Ambrose with timber spiking. Ambrose is suspected of involvement in the spiking of approximately 150 trees in Indiana state forests. The ELF claimed responsibility for these incidents.

On September 16, 1998, a federal grand jury in the Western District of Wisconsin indicted Peter Young and Justin Samuel for Hobbs Act violations as well as for animal enterprise terrorism. Samuel was apprehended in Belgium, and was subsequently extradited to the United States. On August 30, 2000, Samuel pleaded guilty to two counts of animal enterprise terrorism and was sentenced on November 3, 2000, to two years in prison, two years probation, and ordered to pay $364,106 in restitution. Samuel's prosecution arose out of his involvement in mink releases in Wisconsin in 1997. This incident was claimed by the ALF. The investigation and arrest of Justin Samuel were the result of a joint effort by federal, state, and local agencies.

On April 20, 1997, Douglas Joshua Ellerman turned himself in and admitted on videotape to purchasing, constructing, and transporting five pipe bombs to the scene of the March 11, 1997, arson at the Fur Breeders Agricultural co-op in Sandy, Utah. Ellerman also admitted setting fire to the facility. Ellerman was indicted on June 19, 1997 on 16 counts, and eventually pleaded guilty to three. He was sentenced to seven years in prison and restitution of approximately $750,000. Though this incident was not officially claimed by ALF, Ellerman indicated during an interview subsequent to his arrest that he was a member of ALF. This incident was investigated jointly by the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).

Rodney Adam Coronado was convicted for his role in the February 2, 1992, arson at an animal research laboratory on the campus of Michigan State University. Damage estimates, according to public sources, approached $200,000 and included the destruction of research records. On July 3, 1995, Coronado pled guilty for his role in the arson and was sentenced to 57 months in federal prison, three years probation, and restitution of more than $2 million. This incident was claimed by ALF. The FBI, ATF, and the Michigan State University police played a significant role in the investigation, arrest, and prosecution.

Marc Leslie Davis, Margaret Katherine Millet, Marc Andre Baker, and Ilse Washington Asplund were all members of the self-proclaimed "Evan Mecham Eco-Terrorist International Conspiracy" (EMETIC). EMETIC was formed to engage in eco-terrorism against nuclear power plants and ski resorts in the southwestern United States. In November 1987, the group claimed responsibility for damage to a chairlift at the Fairfield Snow Bowl Ski Resort near Flagstaff, Arizona. Davis, Millet, and Baker were arrested in May 1989 on charges relating to the Fairfield Snow Bowl incident and planned incidents at the Central Arizona Project and Palo Verde nuclear generating stations in Arizona; the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Facility in California; and the Rocky Flats Nuclear Facility in Colorado. All pleaded guilty and were sentenced in September 1991. Davis was sentenced to six years in federal prison, and restitution to the Fairfield Snow Bowl Ski Resort in the amount of $19,821. Millet was sentenced to three years in federal prison, and restitution to Fairfield in the amount of $19,821. Baker was sentenced to one year in federal prison, five months probation, a $5,000 fine, and 100 hours of community service. Asplund was also charged and was sentenced to one year in federal prison, five years probation, a $2,000 fine, and 100 hours of community service.

Currently, more than 26 FBI field offices have pending investigations associated with ALF/ELF activities. Despite all of our efforts (increased resources allocated, JTTFs, successful arrests and prosecutions), law enforcement has a long way to go to adequately address the problem of eco-terrorism.

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whatever u think about them they have a very cool name


eco-terrorists.

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I don't think these people are doing the environmentalist movement any good.

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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

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One man's terrorist is another tree's freedom fighter you mean.

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nevermind

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likewise lol

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ELF is kind of a cool name but the whole ALF/ELF thing is sort of dumb. Maybe if they changed it to ALF the ELF or something.

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ELF = extra low frequency radio waves. The US navy uses them to communicate with boomers.

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ELF = the other white meat.

I am going to hold a tree hostage and demand that they disband!

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If it weren't so far off (politically and in many other aspects), Rainbow Six by Tom Clancy would describe eco-terror very well. But I really like the final faith of the terrorists: Strip them naked and drop them in the depth of the jungle without any tools whatsoever. Let nature have it's way...

 
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