09-12-2003 04:15									#421
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quote: It's this simple: If ND had won the game, USC's Strength of Schedule would have rose and they would be in the championship game.

Another reason why the B(C)S is a joke. A game between two sub .500 teams decides the national championship.

	09-12-2003 05:04									#422
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You know if you think about, the BCS GAVE us our playoff.


The Final Four
Rose Bowl
1) USC
4) Michigan

Sugar Bowl
2) LSU
3) OU

Where's my final championship game pitting the two winners?

How hard would it be to just throw another bowl together the next weekend. You know, just make up another bowl maybe call it the Bonus Bowl.

I want my Bonus Bowl!

	09-12-2003 05:39									#423
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Actually, that's a good point.

Why can't someone with more money than they know what to do with put together a game between the winners of the Rose and Sugar Bowls?

	09-12-2003 07:37									#424
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quote: Actually, yes. The wishbone offense is a very explosive running offense and puts up plenty of points.

Jesus, Imran. Nebraska runs an I-formation offense. They have never run the wishbone. How can you properly judge a team when you don't even know the basics of the offense they have run for 40 some years now?

quote: It's interesting, seems to be a Big 10 trait.

It is a Big Ten trait. That's why the Big Ten sucks and is boring to watch. I like to see a little imagination every now and then.

	09-12-2003 07:40									#425
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten It is a Big Ten trait. That's why the Big Ten sucks and is boring to watch. I like to see a little imagination every now and then.

And yet, you like NEBRASKA?!?!?!?!?!?!

Give me a Norm Chow run offense any day.

He's the Off. Cord. for USC and formerly of all those great offensive teams of BYU.

ACK!

	09-12-2003 08:01									#426
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Ahhh, more arrogance and provincalism from Drake... shouldn't really be surprised, but I can't help but be disappointed.

	09-12-2003 08:10									#427
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quote: And yet, you like NEBRASKA?!?!?!?!?!?!

I didn't really have a choice.

That being said, Nebraska football is boring, but we play lots of exciting teams throughout the year. Can't say the same thing about the Big Ten, with the exception of Purdue and maybe Michigan State.

quote: He's the Off. Cord. for USC and formerly of all those great offensive teams of BYU.

I know who he is.

quote: Ahhh, more arrogance and provincalism from Drake... shouldn't really be surprised, but I can't help but be disappointed.

Ahhh, more melodramatic whining from Guynemer. Can't say I'm suprised.

	09-12-2003 08:12									#428
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I'm not whining.

I'm just pointing out what a ***** you're being.

	09-12-2003 08:16									#429
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Since when does stating that you think a certain conference's style of football is homo-gay make you a *****?

Some of you take your football far too seriously...

	09-12-2003 09:18									#430
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Some of you take your football far too seriously...

You mean there are people who don't?

	09-12-2003 09:45									#431
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quote: You mean there are people who don't?

I think it's a matter of perspective. I thought I took football far too seriously, but then I realized that I've never called someone a ***** for badmouthing the Big 12. Obviously, there are people who take football more seriously than me, which calls into question my belief that I take it too seriously.

	09-12-2003 10:23									#432
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quote: Jesus, Imran. Nebraska runs an I-formation offense. They have never run the wishbone.

Same theory of offense. It's an option system, which is more associated with the wishbone.

Big 10 is boring? Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin all exciting to watch. Especially when they face off against each other. They may not be as fun to watch as the Pac 10 or WAC, but they ain't boring either.

	09-12-2003 10:29									#433
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quote: Same theory of offense.

That doesn't make them the same.

quote: Big 10 is boring? Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin all exciting to watch.

quote: They may not be as fun to watch as the Pac 10 or WAC

Or the SEC, Big 12, ACC, Big East, Mountain West, MAC and Conference USA. Big Ten football does kick the crap out of the Sun Belt, though.

	09-12-2003 10:32									#434
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quote: That doesn't make them the same.

Very similar though... I-formation is used for much more than the option, the wishbone isn't.

quote: Or the SEC, Big 12, ACC, Big East, Mountain West, MAC and Conference USA.

The Big 10 is miles above the Big 12. Outside of Oklahoma and Kansas State the conference is a snooze fest. More fun than the ACC as well.

	09-12-2003 10:40									#435
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BIG 10 = Most overrated conference in America.

Outside of Michigan and the Ohio State defense, what's fun to watch in the big ten.

Also, I wouldn't exactly call Texas part of a snooze fest.

	09-12-2003 10:42									#436
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quote: Also, I wouldn't exactly call Texas part of a snooze fest.

I also wouldn't call them more exciting than Iowa either .

	09-12-2003 12:40									#437
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quote: BIG 10 = Most overrated conference in America. Outside of Michigan and the Ohio State defense, what's fun to watch in the big ten.

Nothing.

quote: Also, I wouldn't exactly call Texas part of a snooze fest.

Neither is Oklahoma State or Texas Tech.

	09-12-2003 18:56									#438
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The Big 10 is miles above the Big 12. Outside of Oklahoma and Kansas State the conference is a snooze fest. More fun than the ACC as well.

Normally I agree with your comments, but this has got to be the most uneducated commet I've seen you make.

Nice troll though.

	09-12-2003 19:50									#439
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What, like the throw, throw, throw of Texas Tech? Give me some good smashmouth anyday .

	10-12-2003 02:51									#440
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Woo Hoo! I got a ticket to the Independence Bowl today so even though I've never been to a Bowl game I get to go to two this year. Geez, I hope they don't suck.......

	10-12-2003 02:58									#441
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Both the Big 10 and Big 12 were pretty tough conferences this season, if the strength of schedule scores for the BCS are to be believed. Having 5 teams in the top 25 also indicates that the Big 10 had a reasonably good year.

The SEC was less tough this year, although I agree that it's normally a very tough league. Tennessee had only the #46 toughest schedule. That puts it in the league of the MAC this year.

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	10-12-2003 04:15									#442
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You know what is the worst about this whole bowl process?

How can 10-2 Northern Illinois be sitting at home while, Georgia Tech, Northwestern, and Kansas-all with a stellar 6-6 record, get bowl bids?

ACK!

	10-12-2003 04:40									#443
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quote: Originally posted by DanS That puts it in the league of the MAC this year.

And I used to really like you...

	10-12-2003 04:42									#444
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The MAC was pretty good this year. Marshall even beat Big 12 champion ( ) Kansas State.

	10-12-2003 04:51									#445
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Well that is what happens when conferences get greedy and go to 12 teams. This is why every conference should be at 10 teams.

	10-12-2003 04:54									#446
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quote: Well that is what happens when conferences get greedy and go to 12 teams.

I sort of agree with you.

The problem lies in having conference title games, not in having 12 teams, but greed is the underlying factor. Conference title games allow undeserving teams to win titles they never should've had a shot at, foreshadowing the devastating effect a playoff would have college football.

	10-12-2003 05:02									#447
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quote: The problem lies in having conference title games, not in having 12 teams

Of course it deals with 12 teams. Because of the schedule a 12 team conference will not allow every team to play every team making a conference title almost necessary... after all, look at the Big 10 (11) last year. Iowa and OSU were tied for conference record but they were the only two Big 10(11) teams that didn't play.

quote: Conference title games allow undeserving teams to win titles they never should've had a shot at, foreshadowing the devastating effect a playoff would have college football.

Devestating? Just because the conference title games were boring this year doesn't mean they aren't good fun and great to watch in other years. They add excitment to the game.

We can turn your statement around:
[Bowls] allow undeserving teams to win [playoff games] they never should've had a shot at, foreshadowing the devastating effect a [full] playoff would have college football.

Exciting playoffs (bowls count as one) make for good football watching.

	10-12-2003 05:07									#448
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quote: They add excitment to the game.

They are exciting, but they also allow teams like Kansas State a chance to win a title they didn't earn via their regular season play. If we had a playoff this year, a three-loss Kansas State team would be playing for the national title. As hot as they are right now, they might win it. Can you imagine what would happen to college football if a three-loss team won the national title? It would ruin it...

	10-12-2003 05:25									#449
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quote: They are exciting, but they also allow teams like Kansas State a chance to win a title they didn't earn via their regular season play

So? As K-State showed, they should have been allowed the chance, because they kicked OU's ass. I think they 'earned' it pretty nicely. It ain't like they were 4-10 and won (of course then OU would have been really pathetic ), the regular season was required for them to be there.

quote: If we had a playoff this year, a three-loss Kansas State team would be playing for the national title. As hot as they are right now, they might win it. Can you imagine what would happen to college football if a three-loss team won the national title? It would ruin it...

It would make it a better sport, because the championship is decided on the field, not by computers and human polls. Obviously the 1 and 2 loss teams just weren't good enough if a 3 loss team took them to the woodshed.

	10-12-2003 05:31									#450
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quote: As K-State showed, they should have been allowed the chance

No they shouldn't. They should've blown their chance at the conference title with their bad play in the early part of the season. College football isn't the NFL; we reward teams who play well over the entire course of the regular season, not teams that get hot at the end.

quote: It would make it a better sport

That's your opinion. You, of course, think the NFL is a superior sport to college football, though, so who cares what you think? You're obviously deranged...