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Headline: Program to deport Mexican migrants far from border where they crossed draws fire

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico, Sept. 26 — Migrants caught in the deserts of Arizona are being put on planes by the U.S. Border Patrol and deported hundreds of miles away along Texas' southern border, in many cases to cities in Mexico they've never seen.
U.S. officials say deporting migrants from Texas — instead of at the border where they crossed — reduces repeat attempts and cuts migrants' links to the smuggling networks in Arizona, the most popular route for undocumented crossings.
The pilot program has caused anger on the Mexican side, where town officials say they are ill-equipped for the influx of deportees.
''We don't like Juarez being used as a point for massive deportations,'' city spokesman Ricardo Chavez said. ''The city is not prepared to deal with this, and there is already a shortage of jobs here. It's a bad situation. People are sleeping in parks and under bridges.''
The program has created a class of unwanted people, ejected from the U.S. side of the border to the Mexican cities of Ciudad Juarez, Nuevo Laredo, Reynosa and Matamoros. Once they are in Mexico, city officials often hustle the migrants aboard public buses, give them a free meal and rush them to the nearest terminal with a bus ticket out of town.
''They shouldn't deport us so far away, in places where we don't know anybody,'' said Cesar Pinacho, 26, a cannery worker who has slept in a Ciudad Juarez park and the yard of a nearby house since he was deported several days ago.
The pilot program started Sept. 8 and is set to end Tuesday, but U.S. officials say they may revive it because they consider it a success.
It has taken more than 3,000 migrants from the Arizona desert, where authorities were recording roughly one migrant death per day, usually from dehydration or heat stroke.
''Since the program started, we haven't had a single migrant death'' in the Arizona desert, said Frank Amarillas, a Border Patrol spokesman. ''If you can't take the danger out of the border, you can take the immigrant away from the danger.''
The migrants are placed aboard chartered flights to four cities along the more populated and better-guarded Texas border. More than 1,100 have been deported to Ciudad Juarez, swelling the normal flow of deportees by more than a third.
Smugglers in the Arizona desert often agree to try as many times as needed to get a migrant across. Some agree to receive payment once a migrant reaches a U.S. city, and deporting their clients so far away hurts their income.
U.S. officials say only a fraction of those deported through the program are caught trying to sneak across the border again in Texas, and total detentions in the Arizona desert fell 19 percent after the program started.
Returning to the Arizona border from Texas is difficult and costly because the region in between is desolate, with few roads or cities.
The Mexican government has protested the U.S. practice of handcuffing migrants with a chain that wraps around their waists during the airplane ride.
''If they have to deport us, they shouldn't treat us like criminals,'' said Martin Romero, 38, a field worker from Durango. ''It's humiliating. We're just working people.''
Responding to other concerns about the program, the Border Patrol has halted the deportation of female migrants to Ciudad Juarez, a city plagued by a series of slayings of young women over the past decade.
The patrol also has tried to deport relatives through the same city, after complaints that families were split up and had a hard time finding each other on the Mexican side.
While one of the biggest complaints is the dislocation caused by the long-distance deportations, the Mexican government rejected a U.S. offer to deport undocumented migrants back to their hometowns, at the U.S. government's expense.
Mexican Assistant Foreign Secretary Enrique Berruga said a previous program that deported migrants home in the mid-1990s was abandoned because Mexicans objected to being flown home.
''That kind of thing has been tried before,'' Berruga said. ''I don't think anything has changed to expect any different results this time.''
There are signs, however, that Mexico is cooperating with U.S. efforts. Mexican officials have been hesitant to give returning migrants free bus tickets to one of the destinations they requested most — Agua Prieta, the jumping-off point for undocumented trips across the Arizona desert.
Juventino Gonzalez, a 28-year-old dishwasher from Chimalhuacan, near Mexico City, was a repeat offender.
He and his friend were caught in Arizona last week after trudging seven hours through the desert. Deported through McAllen, Texas, they spent the last of their money to return to the Arizona desert and try again with the same smuggler — only to be caught and deported through El Paso, Texas, across from Ciudad Juarez.
''Of course we're going to try again. We can't go home beaten and with empty hands,'' he said, sitting in a public park and planning his next crossing. ''We're going to try and get ahead. All they are doing with this program is making our lives harder.''
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This is a joke; they are complaining that they are being deported now! 'Yeah, we came in illegal into a place we have never been, just don't send us back to a place we have never been'... HAHAHAHA

I also like how Mexico is saying 'hey, this isn't fair'

What a load of ****...

You have to ask yourself; why Texas? Cause them rangers know how to keep them out... we should all learn from their example.

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That's why I hang them the first time. No repeats.

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We should fly 'em down to Souther Mexico and drop 'em off there

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''If they have to deport us, they shouldn't treat us like criminals,'' said Martin Romero, 38, a field worker from Durango.
Then don't break the law.

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It's almost too funny, I'm crying.

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Fascists.

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HELL, yeah. Get them all disoriented. Let them go to Guatemala by mistake.

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How does one board a Mexican?

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Good question, I guess I spelt it wrong... I can't change it so, oh well... My errors are almost as funny as this article.

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I actually think that those were boarders at first.

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Just wait. Michael will get his shorts all in a wad over this thread.

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I like this idea. I would really like to see these criminals deported deep into Mexico (like having the navy drop them off at the port of Veracruz or something) so we'd have fewer of these people attempting to repeat their crimes. We definitely need some sort of policy which is so harsh that it will deter the die-hard scofflaws. I don't think this is it but it's better then the status quo.

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But...but...who will pick the peas?

WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE PEAS???

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Sorry. Couldn't help myself.

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What country is south of Mexico? Drop them off there but tell them they are being returned to Mexico. Then they can try and sneak across the border to the North, Hey presto they are back in Mexico and they can live happily ever after.

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The really sad fact is 80% of these criminals make it on the first attempt. The government has no control over the borders and that's why drug runners, people smugglers, and various other criminals can break the law without any consequences.

The real solution is to put the Army to use guarding the border and then any employers who are found using illegal labor should be fined out of existence. We need to massively increase the number of agents who do drop in inspections of industries which traditionally use illegal aliens and then the fines need to be so astronomic that businesses are forced into bankruptcy. Right now meat packers, farmers, hotels and the like can keep using illegal aliens because they make so much money and the fines are so small that even if they get caught it’s no big deal.

Let’s see some shareholders lose everything and let’s see some of the repeat border hoppers doing hard labor and we’ll see our illegal alien problem disappear.

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We should fly 'em down to Souther Mexico and drop 'em off there


The US has been trying to do that since the 1970's but the Mexican government rufuses to allow the planes to land or ships to dock because they want to get ride of their unemployed. You see having large numbers of unemployed military age men standing on street corners causes crime and unrest and the Mexican government would much rather they be our problem then their problem.

If the corrupt politicos in Mexico would clean up their act by ending the endemic graft and get ride of the crap anti foreign invester regulations/ national socialist state owned industries they might actually get their economy growing to the point where they don't have 20%-40% unemployment.

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I thought they were doing that already...

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I thought they were doing that already...


Nope, they normally get dropped off right at the border where they turn around and have another go.

At least with this program it puts these people on unfamiliar ground so it delays and discourages them.

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Just wait. Michael will get his shorts all in a wad over this thread.

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Nope, they normally get dropped off right at the border where they turn around and have another go.

At least with this program it puts these people on unfamiliar ground so it delays and discourages them.


Field work isn't hard labor?

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Nope, they normally get dropped off right at the border where they turn around and have another go.

guess what are their prospects of living in the US without being caught? That's right, hard labour.

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Mexican women are hot.
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What country is south of Mexico? Drop them off there but tell them they are being returned to Mexico. Then they can try and sneak across the border to the North, Hey presto they are back in Mexico and they can live happily ever after.


Guatemala is south of Mexico. The Mexican government is really a two faced liar when it comes to illegal immigration. They are constantly telling the US how evil it is for not having an open border where everyone and everything can come and go like the wind (including drugs, guns, prostitutes, criminals, what ever...), but, they put their military on the Mexican-Guatemala border to try to keep the central American illegal aliens out.

I guess what is good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

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Field work isn't hard labor?


It sure is but that's not the point. The point is they've broken the law and they need to be punished. First time offenders should get deported but if they become a repeat offender then I'd put them in a chain gang and let them break rocks for a few years.

That ought to deter a few of these people.

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I bop the men on the head, take their women.

Wow, you're such a Conquistador, Sloww. Or should I call you 'Hernan'.

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That ought to deter a few of these people.

How so?
Hard Labour is the last thing to deterr them.




IF you're so into isolating yourselves from Mexico, build a goddamn wall, and be over with it.

 
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