03-10-2003 04:04									#121
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree The saves are available to all who take the pledge.

Ok, is there some list I need to get on then, I took the pledge quite a long time ago. And I have the 2 passwords. if there is an email list, please add mine, its: smichaelclark@hotmail.com. thanks

	03-10-2003 04:41									#122
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You need to download them from Vondrack's Turn Reports & Savegames thread. Then use the passwords to unzip and when loading up the turn.

	03-10-2003 04:53									#123
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When I got the save, in the past, I would send it to whomever asked, if they happened to be in chat and asked me.

Miccofl has made it available for download at his site, though he has requested that we not give that addy to eveyone as it uses up his bandwidth.

From now on, when I get the save, or if the other Consuls and Minister's get it, we shall upload it to Poly and put the link for it in that turn's thread for everyone. That way whomever wants to take a look at it may do so. I ask the other Consuls and Minister's to help make sure this gets done on a regular basis.

	03-10-2003 05:53									#124
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree From now on, when I get the save, or if the other Consuls and Minister's get it, we shall upload it to Poly and put the link for it in that turn's thread for everyone. That way whomever wants to take a look at it may do so. I ask the other Consuls and Minister's to help make sure this gets done on a regular basis.

Thanks a lot Bigfree.

	03-10-2003 07:28									#125
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BigFree, that's the best news I've heard in a while

It was somewhat odd for me last turn to be an acting Consul and having to ask for someone to forward me the save or give me miccofl's download site

	03-10-2003 15:16									#126
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OK, yet another little change to make things better in this rapidly changing gameworld of ours...

What I suggest the Consuls (and Trip or vonD when they get the save) do is this: as soon as the next turn arrives, the save will be uploaded to Poly and the first post of the relevant turnthread will be edited at the top to include a link (in bold) to the save. Thus every member can get to it as soon as the Consuls have got it.

A few things to note here though: you should really check out the pledge from the Savegame password thread, as you are automatically taking on the responsibility of agreeing that you will not "cheat" with the save. What this means is that you are not allowed to carry out any orders beyond changing workforce within cities unless the Consuls have already made the order official whilst playing the turn. The reason for this is that so we have no knowledge of actions that we will not carry out in the final save. An example in the current war is if we have a choice of two directions to move, each of which reveals GCA units on different tiles. If someone moves one way and finds units, then our hands are tied and we MUST NOT make any different move in the official turnplay or we are doing what would be impossible in a game where we have one strict set of orders.

Use your noggin and avoid doing anything that would be impossible to take back without reloading the save. One last thing: there was a bug in version 1.21 of PtW where, if you loaded an email game with any save already open, the game would not prompt you for a password and you would in fact open the save as if you were the previous player. This bug was somewhat fixed for the latest version in that, if you have loaded an email save, then you are prevented from loading an email save (the same one or different) unless you exit to the main menu. BUT, if you are in a single player save and load an email game - the bug of loading your preceding opponent's turn is still present. Thus if you are going to load the save, ALWAYS exit to the main menu screen before loading.

	03-10-2003 15:52									#127
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Perhaps some basic notes about those rules should be posted along with the save in the appropriate thread. That might seem excessive, but a little reminder that ALL actions are strictly prohibited... looking at the save is for viewing pleasure only... that's worth reminding people of when they download the file...

	03-10-2003 17:27									#128
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel Out of curiosity, has anyone ever figured out the formula for capturing gold? Would be interesting to extrapolate how much gold their civ has if they lost 8 in DNA. Is it a random amount from the treasury, or is it a set percentage of the whole nation or based on the city's individual income? I've never paid attention to that stuff, but it might be useful in such a slow paced game with lots of brain power.

Clever idea. I'll look into it when I have time, but if anyone else would do it, I'd appreciate it.

	03-10-2003 19:05									#129
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree The reaon I have taken that stance is that I'm not going to enetertain a bunch of what if's after the fact.

It's called "learning from the past" (mistakes or no).

The fact that you and others in power are touchy at best when answering questions about this game is the problem here. I am trying to offer some constructive criticism for the future, and it is not taken into account because "it's too late to do anything about it". Something is wrong with that.

I know you guys put a lot of work into this and are under some pressure, but if the environment is such that people cannot discuss and criticize, this is not a democracy game worth playing. Just because you guys make the decisions does not mean that you make the right ones (and please do not take this as meaning that my suggestions are always for the best). As leaders, you are always accountable, even after the fact (especially so, actually).


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