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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
Jan 1970
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Actually, I know Coryell had Fouts as his QB, but that was before my time, so I never got to see it in action. |
Neither have I, but at least I know about Coryell and his great offense lead by Fouts and Winslow.
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Walsh's system which worked well with his personnel won Super Bowls. Of course he also needed a defense to pull it off as well. |
What makes you think that coaches known for offense disregard defense? In Walsh's first few drafts he concentrated on Defense, especially the famed 1979 one in where he basically picked up half of his dynasty D (including one Ronnie Lott).
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So by your logic, Warner soon will be seen as a bad QB as well. |
Obviously you've never taken a logic class  .
Warner had some sustained success, enough so that his starter was traded away. That never happened with Mitchell or Johnson. However, the tide is turning, actually. Warner is being seen by many, now, to be a product of the system and not that good. People forget the stats he put up.
Bulger looks good now. We'll see how he does in the long run.
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Oh and while we're trying to praise coaches here, there is also something called having good quality players on your team that help immensely. |
The BEST coaches get the most out of their players, however (like Parcells).
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The West Coast offense isn't working because they don't have talent at the skill positions. |
You do realize that it takes time to get the right personell to run complicated offenses, right? Just because Morningweg was there for the years before, doesn't mean Mooch would put the same people there.
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badams52
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near the magic kingdom
May 2002
time: 21:31
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
What makes you think that coaches known for offense disregard defense? In Walsh's first few drafts he concentrated on Defense, especially the famed 1979 one in where he basically picked up half of his dynasty D (including one Ronnie Lott). |
I don't. My point was that if Walsh didn't have the defense he had, having a great offense alone wouldn't have won him 3 Super Bowls. The Chargers of the Coryell era are the prime example. And the same thing goes for Martz. You can be an offensive genious all you want, but if you don't have a defense, you're not going to win many if any Super Bowls.
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The BEST coaches get the most out of their players, however (like Parcells). |
Never denied that coaches don't have impact. But even Barry Switzer was able to win in Dallas with the team he had around him. Of course he made a self fulfilling prophecy when he said something to the effect that when he has the better players, he is the better coach. Where is he now? 
And Jimmy Johnson wasn't able to reproduce the magic with the Dolphins he had with the Cowboys, and time will tell, but now that Spurrier doesn't have the talent advantage he had in the college level, his fun 'n' gun is just aweful. Lastly, Walsh did horrible when head coaching Stanford after he retired from the Niners. Just tryin to say that even the geniuses with the best schemes have trouble without the proper personnel to carry out their plan.
And even the best coaches can't win with **** for players.
And it's funny how the year after Parcells left the Patriots, they won the Super Bowl.
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Zopperoni
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Nah, I think the Chargers are just too weak on defense to beat the Chiefs.
Denver on the road should be a good one.
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Japher
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Ook! Ook! Ack! Ack! Ack!
Jun 2002
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And even the best coaches can't win with **** for players.
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It takes time for coaches to build a team... Yes, build a TEAM.
Good Talent + Bad Coaching does not mean a good team
Bad Talent + Good Coaching does not mean a good team
Good Talent + Good Coaching does not mean a good team
Bad Talent + Bad Coaching? Yeah, that's a bad team.
Heck, look at the Raiders this year! Best of all worlds and the don't amount to a hill of beans. Why, no TEAM. They aren't behaving like a team and that is the coaches fault. Why?
It is the coach's job to fill in the wholes. Sometimes it takes years, when those wholes are on the field. Yet, when they are off the field (like having to deal with sheity owners) it is up to the coach, and only the coach, to handle them.
Parcells is an excellent coach. The Pats won because he built them too.
Same with Tampa Bay and Dungy.
Seatle is good because of great coaching.
Niners were good because of great coaching and great front office.
Browns will be good because they have that front office, now all they need is to get rid of the coach.
Rams are skidding because of bad coaching (IMO).
It ain't one thing going right, it's everything going right... at the right time.
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Zopperoni
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Rams are skidding because of bad coaching (IMO). |
It seems they've found the winning groove again.
I'd like to add Bill Belichick to that list as well. Fourteen (semi-)starters injured, and still 6-2. That's not bad, not bad at all.
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Zopperoni
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Okay so I remembered it wrong, it wasn't the year after he left, but Parcells didn't win the Super Bowl with the Patriots. |
He lost to the Packers who were superior in that period.
He still did an impressive job as coach: the Pats were 2-14 after the 1992 season. Parcells came in and they went 5-11, 10-6, 6-10, and eventually 11-5 and a trip to the Super Bowl.
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27-10-2003 21:08
, maybe I need to go to more so they will actually play decent, hey! maybe I can be the new place kicker
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