30-09-2003 00:11									#31
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc If Carlson (who everyone seems to be defending here) had obeyed this maxim the whole mess could have been avoided in the first place.

Carlson, ideally, should have simply said his number was unlisted, but then went on to provide a number at CNN where he could be contacted.

That didn't happen, obviously, but what FOX did was the epitome of S-T-U-P-I-D. Good grief. Don't ever give them nuclear weapons. They'd probably use 'em.

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	30-09-2003 00:14									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Only now it's CNN's Washington bureau. Which is an improvement at least. I don't suppose either party will be willing to grow up and apologise.

Carlson did apologize, according to the article.

	30-09-2003 00:14									#33
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Did Carlson make seem as if the Fox number he gave out was his home phone number? He pretended to give out his home phone number, and when someone does it for real everyone complains?

	30-09-2003 00:18									#34
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Well, hey, if my neighbor ever gives out my unlisted phone number to a telemarketer, I'll make sure the public finds out soon afterwards that his wife is "loose" with her morals. Vengeance shall be mine!

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P.S. Oops. I was possessed by the demonic spirit of FOX there for a second. I humbly apologize.

	30-09-2003 00:19									#35
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this is where i draw the line:

the mistake was carlson, and carlson's alone.

if anything, he should have been the one to get hit by the blaze.

his wife was blameless; and for her to get the calls that she is purported to have received--for that, Fox ought to be ashamed. That is a heinous breach of protocol: don't bring family members into a tiff that is between you and your opponent.

	30-09-2003 00:21									#36
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You could say that FOX news was correcting a misstake that Carlson made.

	30-09-2003 00:23									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Jack_www You could say that FOX news was correcting a misstake that Carlson made.

Fox beat you to that one.

	30-09-2003 00:25									#38
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There's a huge difference between giving out the number of a LISTED BUSINESS TELEPHONE NUMBER and an UNLISTED PERSONAL TELEPHONE NUMBER.

I'm not quite sure what you righties don't understand about that

	30-09-2003 00:27									#39
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat For what? Or are they just about the only business in the United States with an unlisted phone number?

Malicious interference with a business. This has to be a tort of some kind.

	30-09-2003 00:29									#40
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous There's a huge difference between giving out the number of a LISTED BUSINESS TELEPHONE NUMBER and an UNLISTED PERSONAL TELEPHONE NUMBER. I'm not quite sure what you righties don't understand about that

It is not quite unlisted, since he agreed to give out his number on TV, but gave out the FOX number instead, know that they would be flooded with call by angry people.

I would not have done the same, but Carlson is not in the clear etheir.

	30-09-2003 00:45									#41
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quote: Malicious interference with a business. This has to be a tort of some kind.

Um... no.

	30-09-2003 00:46									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Malicious interference with a business. This has to be a tort of some kind.

I'm sure there could legal repercussions for giving out an unlisted phone number as well, at least if Carlson was paying his phone provider *not* to release it (there's more to an unlisted number than simply not appearing in a phone book — if you don't pay the company, anyone calling 411 can get your number, even if it's not in the phone book).

Of course, there's always the possibility that, out of professional courtesy, Carlson gave his number to FOX at some point in the past. If that's the case, I don't think he can pursue legal action against them. It ends up just being a shameful, humiliating experience for FOX ... but they seem to revel in that light, so it's probably no skin off their hides.

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	30-09-2003 00:54									#43
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quote: I'm not quite sure what you righties don't understand about that

What does 'righty' have to do with it?
And btw, the CNN commentator was conservative.

	30-09-2003 01:18									#44
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I know, but if you'll note, he was defending a telemarketer's right.

To me, that seems karma.

However, FOX is a business, and supposedly a "fair and unbiased" organization. When you give a private citizen's number as a retort to a personal mistake, that crosses certain lines which create a bad business. If Carlson had given out the number of, say, Bill O'Reilly. But he did not: he gave a published business number. FOX showed how far into bad taste they are willing to go.

	30-09-2003 01:26									#45
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Carlson gave his home phone number?

I'll bet his wife was not happy with him.

	30-09-2003 01:28									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Carlson gave his home phone number? I'll bet his wife was not happy with him.

No. He gave out Fox's number telling everyone it was his home number. Fox got deluged with calls. Fox got pissed and gave out his real home number.

	30-09-2003 01:35									#47
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one upsmanship isnt always called for. but since he shouldn't have given out the # to fox's place. assuming that the other side will simply respond in kind to an unprovoked attack isnt going to get you far.

	30-09-2003 01:36									#48
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2 wrongs don't make a right.

Even if Carlson was childish, it does not justify a news network publishing an unlisted home phone number.

I was trying to figure out why you were not supporting Carlson. I still can't.

	30-09-2003 01:40									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I was trying to figure out why you were not supporting Carlson. I still can't.

I just have a hard time feeling much sympathy for a person who should have known better than to get himself into trouble.

	30-09-2003 01:40									#50
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why are we assuming the home # is so much worse than inviting the inundation of the business? assuming fox really did get swamped w/ ppl wanting the guy. then they obviously lost productivity and business and money! important calls weren't going through, all sorts of things. I assume on the flipside he merely unplugged his phone and used his cell. and that most of the calls couldn't even get through, then u signup for a new #.

	30-09-2003 01:50									#51
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quote: I just have a hard time feeling much sympathy for a person who should have known better than to get himself into trouble.

Agreed, but sometimes the best action is to refuse to retaliate. Would that not have made a better statement? This man is being childish, expose his antics and then say we will not stoop to his level.

Discredits his argument in favour of the telemarketers completely.

But now? He gets some sympathy after the retaliation, and it makes Fox News look bad as a journalistic organisation. Would CNN respond in like manner in a similar situation?

	30-09-2003 02:36									#52
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Professional journalism....

"Well you gave out our LISTED BUSINESS number so, in the interests of being fair and balanced, we will give out your UNLISTED PERSONAL number. Neener neener neener!"



And the usual suspects defend Fox through thick-and-thin...No surprise there

	30-09-2003 02:37									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Professional journalism.... "Well you gave out our LISTED BUSINESS number so, in the interests of being fair and balanced, we will give out your UNLISTED PERSONAL number. Neener neener neener!" And the usual suspects defend Fox through thick-and-thin...No surprise there

to be fair, he incited ppl to flood the phone # w/ calls under false pretenses.

k=D

	30-09-2003 02:37									#54
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Tass: You just combined my two posts into one...for that, I thank you

	30-09-2003 02:39									#55
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While I think it was unprofessional to retaliate like that, I have no other problem with it. If you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out. Childish but amusing and entertaining at the same time.

	30-09-2003 02:42									#56
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quote: Originally posted by rah If you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out.

Exactly.

Therefore, we should (in the interests of being fair and balanced) find Bill's # and list it.

	30-09-2003 02:47									#57
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Why, who's number did he post?

Besides I already know it.

	30-09-2003 02:49									#58
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I'm surprised that the booth people or the network didn't censor the number to begin with in order to protect Carlson. The show is filmed with roughly a seven second delay (that's my recollection from the last time I've been there live). The delay is there in order to protect people like Carlson from acting like such numbnuts.

	30-09-2003 02:51									#59
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See, this is why Bush shouldn't be president. This fratboy mentality is starting to rub off on the country.

And shame on both Carlson and FOX.

	30-09-2003 02:54									#60
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc That's what I want to know. One good prank deserves another after all. Maybe Carlson will learn not to give out phone numbers on the air.

But, two wrongs do not make a right, either.