30-09-2003 09:33									#91
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What Carlson did was a prank... what Fox did was deplorable... Fox's dipshit dopey viewers were calling Carlson's residence and shouting obscenities at his wife and children. And shame on the dopes who think what Fox did was not out of line.

	30-09-2003 09:39									#92
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Yes, shame on everyone except people who agree with me.

	30-09-2003 09:42									#93
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Carlson's daughters are young... 4 of them under the age of 12. You think it's okay to post a private phone number on the internet so people can call and yell obscenities at children?

	30-09-2003 11:14									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Oh come on Gatekeeper or whatever silly name you have. "Stupid Asswipes"? What the hell? That is not rational, mature, or even related to what you're talking about. They may be unprofessional or out of line, but you are an idiot if you think your retarded insults mean a god damn thing. Dickhead.

Silly handle? You should speak, Wiggums.

Furthermore, if you had bothered to read my entire post, surely you would have come across the "P.S." part where I pretty much say the obvious — that, in the long run, it's nothing that's going to rock the world.

Lastly, don't call me a dickhead again, son. Got it?

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	30-09-2003 11:31									#95
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 While I think that FOX probably should have done the deed to cnn's bureau, to call FOX all sorts of names only highlights your own bias here.

That's kind of funny in a way as I've been known to post anti-CNN material now and then, too. Going by your standards, that means I must be biased against cable television media in general. And I might be. I'm a print/online journalist, after all.

quote: You could weakly argue that they shouldn't haven't done it to Carlson's home number, but you ARE ignoring the fact that he did start the whole thing.

MtG has covered this point much better, but I'll say it anyway: If I stomp on somebody's toe, and they turn around and blow my toe off with a gun, then I'm the one who should be crucified for starting the whole thing? Nah, I don't think so. It's called over-reaction. The world's full of it, IMO.

quote: And also, your whole attitude and comments here show that you were just waiting for a reason to blast FOX.

Actually, I spend very little of my time "just waiting" to blast things. I have deadlines to meet, you know.

quote: And if you are a democrat, fine, but at least be honest that you don't like a network that doesn't skew to the democrat point of view instead waiting for a moment to pounce through some flawed criticism.

Heh. I'm a registered Republican with moderate tendencies. Yeah, I know, a dying breed in the polarized world of American politics. I have Issues with a good deal of U.S. politics (and world, come to think of it) nowadays. Issues, I tell you, Issues! (Capitalization intentional, BTW.)

Tsk, tsk. And here I thought you knew me better than that, vee4437, er, vee4473.

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	30-09-2003 11:46									#96
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Sava -

quote: Carlson's daughters are young... 4 of them under the age of 12. You think it's okay to post a private phone number on the internet so people can call and yell obscenities at children?

Did Fox newspeople call him and shout obscenities at his children? Did anyone? Sorry Sava, but methinks you're inventing stuff here - "it's the children" - to enflame passions. And if someone did shout obscenities at these children, shame on them, not on the people who think Carlson stepped in it when HE instigated this incident.

	30-09-2003 11:48									#97
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you really should think of the children.

imagine if someone made death threats to the children or their parents. they would be scarred for life.

It's irresponsible for a professional news organization to do this. plain and simple.

	30-09-2003 11:55									#98
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I never said Fox acted responsibly, and Carlson should have thought about his children too when he decided to lie in order to flood Fox with calls from people allegedly doing what was done to his family. I assume the people answering the phones at Fox wouldn't enjoy getting obscenties shouted at them either...

	30-09-2003 11:57									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker I never said Fox acted responsibly, and Carlson should have thought about his children too when he decided to lie in order to flood Fox with calls from people allegedly doing what was done to his family. I assume the people answering the phones at Fox wouldn't enjoy getting obscenties shouted at them either...

I'm sure their used to it

	30-09-2003 11:57									#100
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ahh, but they are adults. and they are paid to answer phones.

I'm not saying what that guy did was responsible either. He's a professional journalist as well.

Two wrongs don't make a right though.

okay, 'nuff cliches

I actually find the event funny. Could there be a serious bloody rivalry between Fox and CNN. I want to see all kinds of snide, dirty comments

	30-09-2003 12:02									#101
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quote: ahh, but they are adults. and they are paid to answer phones.

So what? Two wrongs don't make a right, but the instigator has to take more of the blame.

	30-09-2003 13:58									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat See, even an eye for an eye I can understand, but "he took and eye, we'll take his head, that'll teach him" seems a little over the top.

Don't bother, some people are clearly daft. If people can't tell the difference between a home phone number and a work phone number, an unlisted number and a listed number, they will also have problems finding their own posterior.

	30-09-2003 14:02									#103
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The greatest idiots in this story are the people who did the calls

	30-09-2003 14:20									#104
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And some people can't figure out cause and effect (because they can't stand Fox?) and that it doesn't matter if the number was a home or business, someone was on the other end when a-holes called up to shout obscenities (if that in fact happened).

	30-09-2003 21:17									#105
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although what carlson did was wrong, what fox did was absolutely heinous. i don't see how their behaviour is defensible in any way.

but ata and berz bring up good points. it's the *******s who called that were the problems.

	30-09-2003 21:33									#106
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Boo Hoo, he got some obscene calls at home. (we don't know how many) It is a shame that he wasn't the one answering the phone. So some morons call. I answer calls from morons all day. (regular telemarketers and my daughters boyfriend wannabes) boo hoo.
I don't see it as shooting the toe vs stepping on it.
You know they're exagerating to make it sound worse.

It's his own DAMN Fault for being an idiot. I may not totally agree with the retaliation since it's a bit childish, but I don't have a problem with it.

How many phone calls do you think his wife listened to before she just unplugged the phone. Or do you think she was quizzing the callers to see how bad they would get. Having to get a new phone number is probably the right payback.

	30-09-2003 22:55									#107
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Yup, so do you play "Meet the Parents" with these boys stalking your daughter?

	30-09-2003 22:57									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper I'm sure there could legal repercussions for giving out an unlisted phone number as well, at least if Carlson was paying his phone provider *not* to release it (there's more to an unlisted number than simply not appearing in a phone book — if you don't pay the company, anyone calling 411 can get your number, even if it's not in the phone book). Of course, there's always the possibility that, out of professional courtesy, Carlson gave his number to FOX at some point in the past. If that's the case, I don't think he can pursue legal action against them. It ends up just being a shameful, humiliating experience for FOX ... but they seem to revel in that light, so it's probably no skin off their hides. Gatekeeper

I agree that FOX should be sued also on invasion of privacy grounds.

I find it remarkable that all the posts here from the left focus on FOX's response and have nothing to say about Carlson. I assume they do not condone what Carlson did, but it is hard to tell.

	30-09-2003 22:58									#109
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This whole thing says a lot about American journalism.

	30-09-2003 23:01									#110
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quote: I find it remarkable that all the posts here from the left focus on FOX's response and have nothing to say about Carlson. I assume they do not condone what Carlson did, but it is hard to tell.

Maybe I didn't say. Carlson was an idiot, but he wasn't a malicious idiot.

	30-09-2003 23:10									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat edit/ also, one mention on air is a lot less damaging the printed on a website.

Actually no. The number of watchers on even a low rated cable show far outnumber the hits that even a popular website gets.

	30-09-2003 23:12									#112
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Everyone involved is an idiot, and I don't see how either side can claim to be "holier than thou" in this escapade.

quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Yup, so do you play "Meet the Parents" with these boys stalking your daughter?

Hmmm, when I answer the phone, there is a little short mumbling then they hang up. Maybe I shouldn't answer the phone with a real mean sounding HELLO. (caller ID is real boon for fathers like me.) It helps you recognize the potential trouble makers. And keeps you from sounding like a homicidal maniac when it's your parents calling.

	30-09-2003 23:22									#113
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Actually no. The number of watchers on even a low rated cable show far outnumber the hits that even a popular website gets.

The number of people who watch a low rated cable show avidly with pen and paper handy to catch one three-second announcement outweighs the damage of having it published in text for the entire world to come along and reference at any time they wish?

	30-09-2003 23:24									#114
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Despite how much we may use the web - tv is a whole nother universe in terms of numbers.

	30-09-2003 23:32									#115
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quote: This whole thing says a lot about American journalism.

but true

	30-09-2003 23:37									#116
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Just a small point. Anyone who wants to pull some crap on FOX will now think twice, won't they? FOX plays hardball.

	01-10-2003 00:06									#117
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quote: FOX plays hardball.

Hey, now MSNBC can sue Fox for playing "hardball". Btw, it appears Bill O'Reilly pushed Fox into suing Franken and O'Reilly then denied it after the suit was tossed (laughed) out of court.
So, was O'Reilly complaining that Franken used his picture on a book about liars?

	01-10-2003 00:10									#118
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You know what. It's just conservatives ****ing over each other. Why should I care. As fa as I'm concerned, it's all good what happened.

	01-10-2003 00:12									#119
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Republicans, not conservatives.

	01-10-2003 00:13									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai This whole thing says a lot about American journalism.

Hey, now. Don't paint the entire fence black because there's a few warped boards in it.