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PinkyGen
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Number Cruncher
Nov 2002
time: 05:31
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It is quite clear you Darius don't believe me, since you had somebody I don't even know check the file without first consulting me (so that he could easily see I am shipping cannons to Egypt, an operation that needs to remain hidden), and then wish to drag up completely unrelated issues. It took me so wrong to realize something was amiss because this is the only Civ2 game I am in right now and physically play. You have once again shown me that playing with you is far from an enjoyable experience, and I play this game for fun. I have better things to do with my time than argue over something that is indeed quite unprovable, so I'll save you all the trouble and withdraw from the game.
Last edited by PinkyGen on 04-03-2004 at 00:54
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PinkyGen
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Number Cruncher
Nov 2002
time: 05:31
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You need not make a decision. I'm out of the game, so you can replay the bangkok turn with AI or someone else, and the integrity of the game is removed beyond all doubt. I am leaving to purposefully not make this issue, rather than drag this game down more.
I suppose my previous post contained some bitterness  , but the motive wasn't to say "screw you" and go. It's to remove doubt in the fairness of the game, and also to save me typing. (Which so far hasn't been the case). I'll probably watch, like for that one over at civfanatics where the U.S. is beating everyone up. 
BTW, the other city the French took was Casablanca, using arty, and at least one ship (it's healing there), and the conquest is very easy to do, so I'd adivse you not to go all the way back to that.
Last edited by PinkyGen on 04-03-2004 at 08:50
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Darius871
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Smith, Wesson, and the RODINA!!!
Mar 2002
time: 23:31
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Pinkygen, a person checking a file has NO responsibility to consult you about it beforehand; the checks are done all the time behind the scenes and only become known if they find something. He tried to discuss it with you but your PM box was full, so I brought it up on AIM and you decided to make the matter public. If you're worried about me getting unfair advantage, he only told me about the results at Bangkok so I only know about the ships to Egypt from your post.
And don't tell me the Red Front thing is 'unrelated'. The player after you finds that the map is revealed and you say it was due to a malfunction, and then now you have impossible combat results and say it was due to a malfunction. I was willing to believe you the first time, but no I don't believe you this time.
Even IF your explanation is true, you must agree that letting you play would set a horrible precedent. From now on every cheater would have a get out of jail free card. But you've withdrawn so I guess we don't have to make this decision.
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JamesJKirk
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Dixon, CA USA
Jan 1970
time: 21:31
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I guess I'll throw my voice in here, even though things are basically settled at this point.
I was suspicious when you mentioned you took Bangkok, Pinkygen, particularly because that's the city that "caught" a cheater a while back. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and didn't check the casualty list. But having seen them now, and hearing of your previous problem it's a different story.
But I don't want to just chastize and criticize you. I thank you for doing the right thing by immediately quitting rather than dragging this out to prove your innocence, even if it is the case. Because at this point, no matter what, there'd be a cloud of suspicion anyway.
Regardless of your innocence or guilt, I hope this incident shows other would-be cheaters out there that at this point PBEMers are incredibly vigilant and adept at noticing unusual results. I just hope the result isn't that it kills too many games.
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Pablostuka
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of somewhere near Barcelona
Jan 2003
time: 06:31
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I was who checked the file, and this is the PM I wrote to PinkyGen, but I was unable to send it.
quote:
Originally posted by Pablostuka
After the French capture of Bangkok, I was contacted by one player of that PBEM, to check if there was any evidence of reloading or cheating.
Just I checked the file, and your results are impossible as far as I can see. Bangkok was defended by 4 oriental infantry, and you only lost 3 cannons and 1 French infantry to take it. The city has fortifications and coastal batteries. It's impossible to achieve these results without reloading or something worse.
I suggest you confess on the thread or give me a good explanation in the following 24 hours, although I can't think of one.
Yours, Pablostuka. |
Anyway, the damage is done, and that player left the game.
Good luck with this PBEM.
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germanos
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behind a firm ****, Rotterdam, NL
Apr 2002
time: 06:31
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The results from France's last turn should be anulled, therefore JamesJkirk should replay as well.
I say we take some time to find a replacement for France, the AI will screw around too much.
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germanos
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behind a firm ****, Rotterdam, NL
Apr 2002
time: 06:31
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conmcb25: I fully understand your frustration, and I agree with your assesment.
I say we wait a little more to see if the advertisements have any succes.
Alternatively: Yaroslav seems to be getting back slowly, so he may be able to take the Brits again, and Zedd could take France?
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germanos
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behind a firm ****, Rotterdam, NL
Apr 2002
time: 06:31
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Yaroslav will visit this thread again.
However,at the moment his attention is with the terror that struck his new home-city.
stay tuned...
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germanos
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behind a firm ****, Rotterdam, NL
Apr 2002
time: 06:31
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Since Yaroslav was the UK before Zedd stepped in, I say Yaroslav takes hold of the UK again, while Zedd takes France.
unless Zedd's policies where vastly different then Yaroslav's (which I doubt), it means we can all continue with our previous deals we had (if any) with Yaroslav.
Also, Zedd taking France would mean he can (re)play PinkyGen's last turn, so the game can start moving again, and Yaroslav will not have to be playing for the next few days and relax a bit.
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germanos
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behind a firm ****, Rotterdam, NL
Apr 2002
time: 06:31
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No, it is Zedd's turn (France),
then JamesJKirk (Germany),
and then.....
It's Yaroslav (UK)
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JamesJKirk
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Dixon, CA USA
Jan 1970
time: 21:31
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Same as last time, except a gunboat tragically sank in the Bay of Biscay as it tried to manoeuver out of the way of a French steamer.
EDIT: Forgot to ctrl-N
 Attachment: ger1870may.net
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).
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04-03-2004 00:45
seems to happen a lot arround here 
lets get rollin'
Attachment: 
The French republic apologizes for the mishap and will assuredly see to it that the captain of that steamer is held responsible for his errant behavior.
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