21-04-2004 00:12									#301
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Oh, I accept your proposal, definitely. Sorry I forgot. But more immediately, I don't know. I haven't seen Darius online in a long time. Anyone know his email address?

	21-04-2004 00:23									#302
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James Kirk, i will prepare the civ dip file imediately

As for Mr. Darius I will contact Yaroslav and see if he is ready to play his turn. If so should we CTRL-N his turn and let yaroslav play? I like to give a player lots of time before doing anything like that but it's been quite some time allready.

	21-04-2004 00:47									#303
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quote: Originally posted by Zedd James Kirk, i will prepare the civ dip file imediately As for Mr. Darius I will contact Yaroslav and see if he is ready to play his turn. If so should we CTRL-N his turn and let yaroslav play? I like to give a player lots of time before doing anything like that but it's been quite some time allready.

No Darius has had plenty of chances.

As far as Im concerned you can replace him yesterday.

	21-04-2004 00:56									#304
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Ok, if nobody post in the next 24 hours anything against this move, I'll play inmediately.

	21-04-2004 01:37									#305
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JamesKirk,

Could you PM me your email so that i can send you the file? It won't be ready untill tomorrow. Also I would like to make a change to the proposal in light of some game changes but I think you will approve of them.

	21-04-2004 04:58									#306
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Well has Darius been active in any games here or on cfc or cdg? I think it's kind of drastic to skip a player, I'd rather find a sub personally, because we all know how much the AI can screw up things

	21-04-2004 17:46									#307
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Not been a sign of him I'm afraid.

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't it permissable to open a players turn and hit the CTRL-N function to "End players turn" ? I don't think darius would mind letting Yarroslav do that as they appear to trust one another.

Darius would probably return before we could find a sub as there are 2-3 other PBEM's that need one now and I don't see alot of people willing to do it. I would prefer to get the game moving again.

	21-04-2004 20:09									#308
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Okay, I'd be fine with it if everything were ctrl-N'ed, I want to get this moving too

	21-04-2004 21:36									#309
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Well you guys have 9 days to figure out what you want to do because I have a realatively new rule.

Any game that doesn't move in a month I drop out of.

And Im getting ready to change that to two weeks.

Ive already said my peice, skip his turn and lets ask someone to sub.

Maybe Kobra would do it.

But these delays are wearing on my patience.

	22-04-2004 00:12									#310
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BTW guys darius has not posted here in 19 days.

he hasn't posted at CFC in over a month.

and he left CDG

	22-04-2004 00:38									#311
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P&P

Trade set,
American Turn skipped
Kuwait sieged.

Attachment: uk1870june.zip
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

	22-04-2004 00:42									#312
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Holy Crap its my turn.

Now while we are playing lets try and find a Darius replacement.

	22-04-2004 08:49									#313
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ST Petersburg Gold to Rome.

Republic given to the Germans since darius never seemed to get around to it

Last edited by conmcb25 on 22-04-2004 at 20:32

	22-04-2004 09:12									#314
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you didn't just give it to me did you? I can't use it if it's not civdipped or done online at the same time.... so if it's too much trouble could you civdip it or just not do it?

	22-04-2004 09:32									#315
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What?

Sure you can thru the diplo screen as a gift

Why is that a problem?

	22-04-2004 09:37									#316
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revolutions are turned off, so you can only have one right when you get a tech

	22-04-2004 17:31									#317
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quote: Originally posted by JamesJKirk Once again Germany repeats its request for the knowledge of Republic, we would also be greatful if someone could send that over via Civdip.

quote: Originally posted by Zedd A representative of France dispatched a private message to your office but recieved no reply. Please review your PM box

quote: Posted by James Kirk Oh, I accept your proposal, definitely

quote: Posted by Zedd James Kirk, i will prepare the civ dip file imediately

Oh well, you beat me too it.

	22-04-2004 17:33									#318
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quote: Originally posted by JamesJKirk revolutions are turned off, so you can only have one right when you get a tech

I think that you will get the " do you wish to revolt?" window when you open up your next turn.

	22-04-2004 18:46									#319
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Do you guys want me to replay this real quick?

I didn't know you had a deal because honestly I was not paying that much attention.

If I dont hear anything in the next couple of hours then I will replay.

	22-04-2004 20:07									#320
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quote: Originally posted by Zedd I think that you will get the " do you wish to revolt?" window when you open up your next turn.

no, you will not.

con: Unless you want Germany stuck in Monarchy on purpose , you are kindly asked to replay your turn.

	22-04-2004 20:32									#321
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quote: Originally posted by germanos no, you will not. con: Unless you want Germany stuck in Monarchy on purpose , you are kindly asked to replay your turn.

Ok Im not sure I understand but I will comply.

It was basically an impulse move last night on my part.

I will have the new turn up within a few hours.

	22-04-2004 21:56									#322
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evidently the issue is the popup:

"You have just discovered (insert Gov type here).
Do you wish to revolt?"

Aparently, In this Scen. clicking yes at this popup is the only way to get a revolution and the box only pops up if you discover the tech DURRING your turn.
IE from research, hut popping, or as a trade or gift.

By using the civ 2 diplomacy screen the tech shows up in the german tech list durring YOUR turn so when JamesKirk opens the save the tech is allready there meaning He won't get the popup and thus will be stuck with the knowledge of republic but unable to incite a revolt.

90% of this is speculationby the way, but I did test it out and found enough evidence to support my hypothesis.

	22-04-2004 22:18									#323
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I can try to explain:

In a PBEM, essentially (this is what the game thinks) all of us are playing a Single Player game. The only difference being that we all play a SP with a different civ, and its not the game that moves our opponents, but that its the other people playing a SP. The game-engine is not aware of this however, hence all the ****-ups that happen, and for which we have LazyCiv and other great utilities.

In this game, goverment switching is not allowed (it is not even possible) EXEPT when a civ gets a tech that enables a new Government. IT IS ONLY AT THAT EXACT MOMENT that a civ can choose to revolt.

When you give The Republic to Germany, you are not giving it to JamesJKirk, but you give it to the AI. The AI probably does not want to become a republic (unless you(=conmcb25) got the message 'The Germans are revolting'), and thus Germany will stay a Monarchy. When James arrives at the buttons, the window of opportunaty has passed, and there will be no chance to revolt untill he discovers democracy or communism.



To Zedd: there is no need to speculate: i have seen games where people where not able to switch to Republic while they had been given the tech

	22-04-2004 22:41									#324
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OK I get it

Its a quirk of this particular scenario that is of course a quirck because of the CIV II code.

OK I get.

And to think I was just trying to be a nice guy

Im still going to get this played in the next few hours.


Im scanning with some new Anti-Spyware software right now and after that Ill get the new file up.

jamesjkirk

DO NOT PLAY THE FILE YOU D/L'ed LAST NIGHT!!!!!

	22-04-2004 23:42									#325
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OK Spyware Free and the new save:

There was something about a "No Confidence vote for napolean the Third, not sure what that menas in game terms.


Some movement of "natives" but no pop ups with announcements about them this turn.

Attachment: russia_1870july.net
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

	23-04-2004 00:14									#326
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quote: There was something about a "No Confidence vote for napolean the Third, not sure what that menas in game terms.

Perhaps I will see some discontent in my cities?

	23-04-2004 17:07									#327
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quote: Originally posted by JamesJKirk Oh, I accept your proposal, definitely. Sorry I forgot. But more immediately, I don't know. I haven't seen Darius online in a long time. Anyone know his email address?

I don't know if that will help, but Darius left the PBEM community at CDG due to being caught cheating twice in some 2194 games. I don't know if he's still playing here at Poly or at CFC.

I think conmcb25 knows about this issue.

	23-04-2004 17:16									#328
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Was there good evidence for those cases, becouse it is a little odd for the person who started the "Cheater Registry" to be cought cheeting. !?!

ANYway thats OT and Darius isn't here to defend so lets just keep the game going. If there is no sign of him on his next turn we could try to find a sub.

	23-04-2004 17:34									#329
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@Zedd: Please check your PM inbox.

	23-04-2004 18:51									#330
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quote: On cdgroup.org Darius wrote: Actually, I'm leaving all my games, and won't lose sleep over it. All the suspicion and scrutiny I'll be subject to because of petty little things like this would prevent them from being fun. Have a nice life.

Thanks Pablostuka for the links. I think this and the subseqent absence of Darius is enough to justify posting for a replacement

Problem is does anyone know his password?