06-10-2003 03:12									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie What about the IRA support and fundraising groups in Boston and Philadelphia? Where were the RAF when we needed them?

Making sure a Swedish Blitzkrieg didn't break out.

	06-10-2003 03:58									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie What about the IRA support and fundraising groups in Boston and Philadelphia? Where were the RAF when we needed them?

[puffed up right wing idiot mode]Yeah, of course that was completely different. [/puffed up right wing idiot mode]

It wasn't, but for Apolyton's resident fascists Doublethink takes priority in these trying times.

	06-10-2003 04:00									#63
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difference


IRA dumbasses not sponsored by the USA

Islamic Jihad and Hamas dumbasses sponsored by Syria and Iran


DUH

	06-10-2003 04:25									#64
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You know, the FBI actively tried to shut down IRA activity in the US. We managed to support 'em anyway.

	06-10-2003 05:51									#65
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Since when do missiles come with a date of expiry?

	06-10-2003 06:22									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Since when do missiles come with a date of expiry?

Since the final target data have been programmed into them and they've been launched?

	06-10-2003 08:10									#67
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The only question that should be on the table is whether these camps are (or were) terrorist camps. The fact that Sryia has closed the camps to the international press speaks volumes. However, the UN Sec. Council should not accept either the Syrian or Israeli position without an actually inspection by the UNSC. If that is delayed by Syria for any reason, the UNSC should draw adverse consequences.

I also think that the strike is intended to send a strong message to the Bush regime that its coddling of Syria has to end. Bush and his State department have been to willing to accept Syria's words of good intentions when in fact Syria may have made no substantial moves to end its support of terrorism.

It will be interesting just how many in the UNSC are willing to continue their extreme anti-Israli bias.

Again, I wonder where our Democrat candidates come out on this. Do any of them support Israel in its war against terrorism? Do any of them truly support the war against terrorism at all?

	06-10-2003 08:17									#68
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Well, it is a little more complicated than us just coddling Syria. As a secular state they have a vested interest in preventing fundamentalism from rising up in their state. It was only ten years ago or so that The Muslim Brotherhood was ruthlessly put down. The Syrians have provided some very useful intelligence in our pursuit of fundamentalist terrorist. Problem is that they support the Palestinian version.

They can't have it both ways, but the problem is...neithier can we.

Syria is a terrorist state and that must outweigh their contribution in intelligence. We must support destroying terror in all its bases.

	06-10-2003 08:45									#69
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Certainly Syria has international law on its side: only two states label syria a terrorist sate: can you name them? The US and Israel..that's it. Even with the post 9/11 Afghanistan resolution Israel had no basis for this, and the Iranian TV video (which at no point actually says :"welcome to a terrorist training camp folks!") which everyone here is "touting" as proof doesn't means a damn. And no, there is NO international law that allows one to "strike at terror camps", since the definition of such a thing is rather fluid (what was the school of the Americas?) and anyone can make it up. You would need massive proof, which Israel lacks (they can;t even convince the US 100% that this site was one).

All I can say is : I told you so. Syria took it to the UNSC, and there was a 14-1 vote..guess who was the one? Hint: it wasn;t the UK (who was part of the 14).

	06-10-2003 08:48									#70
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Syria took it to the UNSC, and there was a 14-1 vote..guess who was the one? Hint: it wasn;t the UK (who was part of the 14).

USA! USA! USA!

	06-10-2003 08:55									#71
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Yup, once again we take the diplomatic hit for Israel messes. What a wonderfull ally we are. Now if once in a while Israel actually did something for the US instead of it being mainly a one-way relationship. The most we can get is for them to heed the occasional "don't do somehting stupid" warning.

Wake up guys; "invade Syria" is just so April......

	06-10-2003 09:17									#72
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When a vote coems out 14 to one, it is extremely rare tat the one is in the right: this is the same gorup of states that was there in March: now, fine, someone like Panag wil dismiss the whole vote as just antisemitism, but the fact is that proponenets of the war in Iraq, like the UK and bulgaria, and governments relatively friendly to israel, like the conservative Spanish gov voted against Israel this day, and Spain and the Uk are not unaware of terrorism at home, nor can one reflexively label their govs. anti-semitic. So when you gets such a lopsided vote and the US is the only one to vote otherwise, it only feeds the mostly (but not completely wrong) notion of a US beholden to israel.

And the fact is that the raid is useless. No one hurt, maybe some weapons gone, and everyone backs Syria and Bush is left looking like Arik's lapdog. So what exactly does this sad excercise achieve?

	06-10-2003 09:28									#73
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Maybe Israel is controlled by Bin Laden, and is trying to put the US in an even more diplomatically disadvantegous position than its already in?

	06-10-2003 09:33									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker The existence of these French missles in terrorist hands gives us a pretext for finally invading France German Eurocoms you are either with us or TOAST

*knock, knock*

2003 wasn't the manufacturing date for those missiles

*knock, knock*

SAMs weren't illegal either.

	06-10-2003 09:33									#75
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**** that noise Gepap.

These fools are harboring some serious terrorists and the Syrians pay them no damn mind, giving the damn bird to the rest of the world. So somebody else had to pay them some mind and whoop their asses. This sh1t is serious. No doubt these same fools are making their way to Iraq as well.

What we said about it:

quote: The United States "believes Syria is on the wrong side of the war on terrorism," Negroponte said. "We have been clear of the need for Syria to cease harboring terrorist groups." Negroponte said he and other U.S. officials have repeatedly made clear to Syria that its support of terrorist groups is "unacceptable and intolerable." "We believe it is in Syria's interest and in the broader interest of Middle East peace for Syria to stop harboring and supporting the groups that perpetrate terrorist acts such as the one that occurred in Haifa yesterday," he said.

UK condemnded the attack but had this response:

quote: Although he did not mention Syria by name, U.K. Ambassador Emyr Jones Parry chided countries that permit terrorist groups to attack Israel. "There is a heavy responsibility ... on all those who are in a position to act against terrorism to do so," Parry said. "Allowing impunity to those committed to using terror as a political instrument serves only to undermine peace and to prevent progress in the Middle East peace process."

GIVE THEM HELL ISRAEL

	06-10-2003 09:34									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen *knock, knock* 2003 wasn't the manufacturing date for those missiles *knock, knock* SAMs weren't illegal either.

*knock* *knock*

Learn about jokes

*knock* *knock*

adios

	06-10-2003 10:14									#77
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quote: Originally posted by GePap All I can say is : I told you so. Syria took it to the UNSC, and there was a 14-1 vote..guess who was the one? Hint: it wasn;t the UK (who was part of the 14).

And once again Palestinian supporters just make crap up!!! I'd very much like to see where you got this report, because this is what I'm seeing in other news reports.

quote: A U.N. spokesman told CNN it was not likely that a vote on the resolution would come Sunday night because Security Council members are awaiting responses from their respective capitals. No further action on the matter was scheduled, he said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/m.../05/mideast.un/

Given I absolutely can't find any new story supporting your claim, and the time that has elapsed, I've got to conclude you're either being grossly irresponsible with your reporting, or outright deliberately lying.

I HAVE seen reports suggesting that 14 out of 15 members issued statements condemming Israel, but at least the UK condemmed Syria and its not clear to me if others issued statements dissaproaving of Syria's conduct along with Israel's. In some cases they may be taking a position that they equally condemn both countries. Its certainly not clear how an actual vote will go. Most of the countries don't like the idea of the situation esculating, but its not clear that they will completely take Syria's side in this.

Incidentally, there are plenty of times in life that the one person who disagrees out of the 15 is right. Given that Syria currently has a vote on the UN Security Council, its quite possible that some countries will take its side just to seek future political advantage.

	06-10-2003 10:51									#78
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Mhh so Cuba is allowed bombing Miami now?

	06-10-2003 11:01									#79
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I too was surprised by GePap's post. There does not appear to have been a vote yet.

Undoubtedly, the US will try to get a resolution that it could support as well - a resolution that denounces terrorism and Syria's support of it, while at the same time calling for Israel to cease and desist. But don't hold your breath. The world seems extremely biased against Israel and is deeply affected by a double-standard.

What was the UN reaction when Bill Clinton hit terrorist bases in Afganistan, for example?

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quote: Originally posted by Main_Brain Mhh so Cuba is allowed bombing Miami now?

Blah blah Orlando Bosch comparisons are so 2001

	06-10-2003 14:47									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Since when do missiles come with a date of expiry?

Canīt say Iīm an expert, but I remember media reports about Stinger missiles in the hands of the Taleban. Often it was said that they are no big threat anymore because they are too old. No idea if thatīs correct or not. Perhaps MtG can enlighten us here....

	06-10-2003 16:38									#82
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quote: [SIZE=1] Syria took it to the UNSC, and there was a 14-1 vote

So...GePap...LIED!?!

	06-10-2003 17:16									#83
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From CNN.com:

quote: There was no vote in the Security Council Sunday. No further action on the matter was scheduled, a U.N. spokesman said, as Security Council members await responses from their respective capitals.

However, later in the same article:

quote: The United States holds the council's rotating presidency and invited Israel to sit at the table. After his speech, Gillerman left the Security Council for the Yom Kippur holiday. The other 14 members of the Security Council were near unanimous in denouncing both the Haifa bombing and the Israeli airstrike. The lone exception was the United States, whose ambassador, John Negroponte, called on both sides to avoid heightening tensions.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast...t.un/index.html

So, he both lied and said the truth in the same time

Edit: Oops, sorry, I didn't realize that Mordoch has posted about this article already.

	06-10-2003 17:19									#84
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Damn, this bloddshed will never end until a real israeli-palestinian peace treaty will be signed

	06-10-2003 18:19									#85
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untill the occupation ends there will never be peace i think. let's see who are benefiting from that.

	06-10-2003 18:49									#86
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Orlando Bosch?
Never heard of him, relative to Robert Bosch?

	06-10-2003 19:15									#87
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Sure, there will be political repercussions from this attack. So what! ****, I'm tired of the left-wing do-nothing hand-wringers.

	06-10-2003 19:35									#88
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left winfg says: bring in the troops and force Israel to end the occupation.

	06-10-2003 19:38									#89
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Always Bush, Blair, or Israel's fault.
Give me a ****ing break.

	06-10-2003 19:51									#90
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as loing as israel continues the ocupation it is guilty in the eyes of the world