10-10-2003 21:09									#1
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Received from Master Zen:

quote: Unfortunately we don't have any tech that you guys have. What is worse is that we're doing Writing ourselves. That means it's impossible to do a trade unless 1) you guys switch to another tech and we give you writing or 2) you gift or "lease" us a tech so we can go for another tech (like HBR or Poly) and then trade it. Also, in this turn we have found your borders. I propose we grant each other full explolation rights of our respective lands and say 1 tile away from the cultural borders. Sound ok?

We should gift them tech so that they can research HBR, and then have them trade it to us when they're done.

BF & WB -- PLEASE chat with MZ about this and work out a trade!!

--Togas

	10-10-2003 21:24									#2
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One more thing, I wrote MZ back saying that we'd respect their border and stay 1 tile away from it.

--Togas

	11-10-2003 02:29									#3
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If we "loan" them a tech, we want full payment in return. It sounds as if they just may have started on Writing, otherwise why would they be so willing to go onto something else.

I'm guessing we can gift them TW and then have them pay us back, with interest, HBR.

TW=4
HBR=5

I think that would be fair. I will propose this to MZ with the teams permission.

	13-10-2003 20:52									#4
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from MZ:

quote: Sunshine: Ok, I thought up of something that seems reasonable, tell me what you think. First, we need you to gift us The Wheel (4) and Mysticism (4). With that we will go for HBR (5) and Poly (12), you finish the deal with Writing (8). That ends up a 17 (us) to 16 (you) trade which seems quite fair. We can do as follows: 1) You gift us TW next turn 2) We gift you HBR once discovered 3) You gift us Myst 4) We gift you Poly once discovered 5) You gift us Writing.

Sounds fine to me. Anyone else?

--Togas

	14-10-2003 00:40									#5
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	14-10-2003 02:03									#6
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Yea. That sounds fine.

	14-10-2003 02:08									#7
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Yeah, that's fine. Giving them the better deal may help us in the long run.

	14-10-2003 04:23									#8
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That's fine

	14-10-2003 20:13									#9
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Actually BF, we get the better deal, sort of like interest for gifting techs before they can trade back.

Go for it.

	15-10-2003 02:36									#10
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Except we do not earn interest on techs.

	15-10-2003 21:00									#11
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BF, you missed what I was saying. We get 17 tech points for giving 16. We get one extra, which is like an interest payment for gifting techs early before they can send us their tech.

	07-11-2003 00:30									#12
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LL are confimed to be liers. They told the food team that they were the only contact they had. They are selling them IW under the guise of researching it themselves (we traded it to LL). The gaul of LL!!! We have to be very wary of that team.

	07-11-2003 02:54									#13
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Wrong civ. LL told MAST (not Tab) they were the only contact and sold/traded IW. In the turn just played Tab and LL do not have communications with each other.

	07-11-2003 02:56									#14
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Since LL is trading our IW we should be trading their HbR!

	07-11-2003 13:44									#15
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Well, someone lied to us! Let's let the SUN shine on the bare asses for a while and see how they respond!

	10-12-2003 22:06									#16
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I received a PM from Niessuh with the subject:

RE: PTWDG II: Latin Lovers: we'll have Mysticism next turn!

quote: [size=1]Niessuh wrote:{/size] Could you please give us Writing accepted this turn so we not lose one turn of investigation? Thank you

I replied:

quote: I sure hope you mean Poly. We already have Myst.

So, do we send them Writing accepted? I wonder what they will be researching next? One of us needs to do Construction.

	11-12-2003 02:25									#17
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I asked Niessuh what they were going to research next. This was his response:

quote: We don't know yet. Mapmaking, probably. But we need your Writing now in order to start next turn what are you actually doing?

I guess they don't know we will have Map Making next turn.

Can I update them on our research situation? Tell them we will have Map Making next turn, that we already have Phil, MAST is doing CoL, and Tab is doing Currency? Oh Mr. Wiseone, what do we do?

	11-12-2003 04:11									#18
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Please feel free to share with them what we are researching. Let them find out for themselves what other teams are working on. Also verify that they have Poly (but I'm 95% sure they do).

Lastly, feel free to give them Writing. We're friendly and trusting like that.

--Togas

	11-12-2003 04:45									#19
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I did confirm with Niessuh that they will be completing Poly next turn. I will let him know about Map Making and our plans to do Construction.

	11-12-2003 21:33									#20
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I sent this message to Niessuh:

quote: We will be completing Map Making on our next turn and will start Construction. Does your team have any interest in researching Monarchy? I put together a research plan for the rest of the Ancient Age and it makes the most sense to me for you to do Monarchy.

This was his response:

quote: Well, Our situation takes us towards a peaceful Republic, so at first glance, we are not interested with Monarchy. Nonetheless, we had to talk with the others teams, It could be profitable.

	17-12-2003 01:42									#21
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to Niessuh,

quote: Niessuh, Team Sunshine has Philosophy, Code of Laws, and Mapmaking and we would be happy to work out a trade with you. We are now researching Construction. If you are interested in trading for any of these techs, please let me know. Also, our warrior "Goody Hut Gary" is on his way home. However, he is trapped right now. We would like to know if your team would allow him to safely cross through your borders to return home to Sunshinia. Please let us know. --Togas

	17-12-2003 09:26									#22
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From Niessuh

quote: Togas: I'm talking with MZ about your tech proposal, he willl make a response soon. At this moment the isthmus is blocked by a worker. He is making a mine and a road after that, will end in five turns. Then there will be no problem

	17-12-2003 09:28									#23
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to Niessuh

quote: quote: At this moment the isthmus is blocked by a worker. He is making a mine and a road after that, will end in five turns. Then there will be no problem Excellent news. We plan to move up to your border and wait for the worker to finish before moving in. PLEASE let us know if this is a problem or if you'd like us to take a specific route through. And please get back to us about future tech trades. We look forward to working with you in the future. --Togas

	17-12-2003 23:34									#24
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from Niessuh

quote: No problem There is much traffic in the zone, a jaguar warrior is waiting to enter, but first out, then in We have some information for share: An scout warrior has seen a surprising movement of settlers on the part of the Tabemono: three settlers are advancing in the zone North of Kung Pao. This zone already have some roads and irrigation.

	23-12-2003 19:10									#25
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Sent to Niessuh:

quote: Our warrior is standing by to cross the isthmus. Please let us know when the way is clear for him to move through. Thanks.

	24-12-2003 06:36									#26
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Received from Niessuh:

quote: Our worker is already in his "freeze" turn right now. Next turn he will move inward through the wheat tile, so stay quiet just one turn and the way will be open PS: Oh, you play the turn, way open!

I guess that mean when we play again we can move Gary through.

	29-12-2003 12:21									#27
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quote: Hello Niessuh! We have moved "Goody Hut Gary" next to your beautiful city, Peria, now that your worker is out of the way. He will be moving west, and then out of your territory as quickly as possible (either SW, S, or W, depending on what's available). Thank you for allowing us to travel through (and out of) your territory. Peace and friendship, --Togas

	16-01-2004 11:14									#28
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from Mr WIA

quote: Hello, amigo! I have recently become a little more active in the LL team, and some seem eager for me to help MZ in the Foreign Affairs department, seeing as I speak English pretty well and I can understand (most of) everything that is discussed in the team forum too. Plus I KNOW you and many on the other teams. So, I'd like to start my diplomatic career by throwing out a feeler about tech trading. From our records I see that we have already had a succesful trade so far: We gave you HBR and Poly for the Wheel, Mysticism and Writing. What would you guys think about a potential trade for Construction, which is our target? Or if not, what could we possibly do to organise another trade? We are always open to options here. :0 We are also continuing to discuss the proposal you sent around not long ago re the FARE Pact. Members come in and give their opinions in dribs and drabs, as I am sure they do for every team, so I will let you know when I have something further to say. Until then, let us all eat, drink and chercher les femmes miran las chicas! WIA.

	16-01-2004 11:18									#29
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quote: MrWIA, Team Sunshine is also working on Construction, and should have it soon. We would be happy to aquire Literature, if you have it. Otherwise, we'll have to see what tech we get after the switch to the Middle Ages and trade then. We have agreed to the Tabemono idea of a group map trade and look forward to sharing maps with everyone. --Togas

	16-01-2004 21:16									#30
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Didn't we also trade IW to them?