10-10-2003 21:59									#1
	Bush Unveils Measures to Weaken Cuba's Castro Full PM-box? Change here!

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) vowed on Friday to try to weaken Cuban leader Fidel Castro (news - web sites)'s power, and said the United States would crack down on travel to the country and make it easier for dissidents to flee.

"Clearly, the Castro regime will not change by its own choice," Bush told a gathering at the White House Rose Garden. "But Cuba must change."

Bush unveiled the initiatives as he gears up for next year's presidential race. Florida is home to many Cuban Americans who advocate tougher measures against the Castro government. Anti-Castro Cuban Americans helped hand Bush a disputed but pivotal victory in Florida in 2000 and the state could once again prove key in the 2004 election.

In May 2002, Bush said he would be willing to ease American sanctions on the communist-run country if the government took steps toward democracy such as offering "free and fair elections" and if it worked toward opening its economy to free-market changes.

"The dictator has responded with defiance and contempt and a new round of brutal oppression," Bush said.

Some business groups, Democratic lawmakers and free-trade Republicans favor loosening up sanctions such as the travel ban, saying they have been ineffective and are costing American firms potential sources of profit.

But Bush said money paid by American tourists who stay in hotels in Cuba goes to the government, with local workers paid only "a pittance."

	10-10-2003 22:01									#2
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More BS from Bush. "Free and Fair Elections" is Newspeak for "Let Cuba be run by and for American Business like it used to be".

Long Live Fidel!!!!!!!!!!

	10-10-2003 22:10									#3
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San Jose (Japher's Mind) - A major lobby to rouse Bush on Cuban interests was said to have been conducted by an internet and video game junky going by the name SlowwHand. The motives of this lobbiest is to increase the power of Texas and poke fun at an online pal commonly refered to as Che, as well as spam the popular Civilaztion gaming site; Apolyton.

"Sloww[Hand] is a jackass," an unknown poster explained. "He's a nice guy an all, but he is also an all-round conservative jackass."

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	10-10-2003 22:13									#4
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Castro will still be around after Bush, and maybe then we can finally have a sane policy towards Cuba.

	10-10-2003 22:14									#5
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maybe that bush has a few ideas about how to use cigars.

	10-10-2003 22:15									#6
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Fidel's going down for the count.
Adios, Senor.

	10-10-2003 22:15									#7
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Next stop for american forces: Cuba

	10-10-2003 22:16									#8
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my policy towards cuba would be to let any cuban that gets outside cuba's waters and is found by us(or gets to american shores). asylum. I'll take the whole country if need be. leave castro sitting on a beach by himself commanding a palm tree.

	10-10-2003 22:20									#9
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Fidel's going down for the count. Adios, Senor.

So has said every Prez from Eisenhower to Bush II. Castro has outlasted them all, and will outlast this one too.

	10-10-2003 22:22									#10
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Idiots the lot of them.

	10-10-2003 22:25									#11
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand "Clearly, the Castro regime will not change by its own choice," Bush told a gathering at the White House Rose Garden. "But Cuba must change."

Gee, the great white father telling heees leeetle brown people whot to doooo. Viva Señor Presidente Monroe!

quote: Bush unveiled the initiatives as he gears up for next year's presidential race. Florida is home to many Cuban Americans who advocate tougher measures against the Castro government. Anti-Castro Cuban Americans helped hand Bush a disputed but pivotal victory in Florida in 2000 and the state could once again prove key in the 2004 election.

In other words, we're not even disguising that this is pimping for votes.

quote: But Bush said money paid by American tourists who stay in hotels in Cuba goes to the government, with local workers paid only "a pittance."

That ain't a concern with China, and it was never a concern with El Salvador, Haiti, or lots of other countries, why pretend it's an issue with Cuba?

	10-10-2003 22:28									#12
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'cause of those pesky miamians.

	10-10-2003 22:29									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Long Live Fidel!!!!!!!!!!

I guess Commies really do want dictatorship.

	10-10-2003 22:31									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon More BS from Bush. "Free and Fair Elections" is Newspeak for "Let Cuba be run by and for American Business like it used to be". Long Live Fidel!!!!!!!!!!

Fidel's a murdering *******, but he does have an endearing sense of style, and anyone who's spent 45 years 100 miles from the US, with both middle fingers raised, yelling "Se come mierda!" can't be all bad.

	10-10-2003 22:33									#15
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand 48 minutes ago WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) vowed on Friday to try to weaken Cuban leader Fidel Castro (news - web sites)'s power, and said the United States would crack down on travel to the country and make it easier for dissidents to flee.

Is this the only measure or did I miss something. More BS from Bush. Attack someone else to bring the spotlight off of yourself. Crapy politics in th US as usual.

	10-10-2003 22:34									#16
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quote: anyone who's spent 45 years 100 miles from the US, with both middle fingers raised, yelling "Se come mierda!" can't be all bad

Well, sounds like a fly on an elephants arse to me. I would rather wait for the pesky little thing to go away then stir any waters. Yet, you shouldn't piss-off your neighbor if you don't want him to crap on your lawn...

	10-10-2003 22:41									#17
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Castro
Bush

	10-10-2003 22:42									#18
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The US has been crapping on the neighbor's lawn ever since the Monroe Doctrine.

	10-10-2003 22:42									#19
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	10-10-2003 22:46									#20
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat The US has been crapping on the neighbor's lawn ever since the Monroe Doctrine.

canada likes us. 80% of their exports are gobbled up by us. and the alternative is to be next to mexico.

	10-10-2003 22:52									#21
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Michael, you jackass.
It's Cuban's in Miami that are so hot to oust Castro.
How many truckboats are headed Cuba's direction?
Do you see Che breaking his hump to get there?
No, to both inquiries. So ram it!

	10-10-2003 23:11									#22
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon canada likes us.

I think like's a strong word. We're like that nasty, brutish, violent, insane, rich, gangster of a cousin we Italian-Americans all have. We don't really want to know them, but they're family.

	10-10-2003 23:21									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed bush castro

Essentially

Hey Sloww, why not build a raft and go liberate Cuba yourself. I hear Bush will even provide air support.

	10-10-2003 23:22									#24
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I guess Commies really do want dictatorship.

I find this interesting too. Commies like to say that prior examples have betrayed "true" communism. However, they will defend every communist country to the bitter end.

	10-10-2003 23:24									#25
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As to what Bush is doing, all I can say is, "Finally!"

	10-10-2003 23:31									#26
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Ok whats the next step ?
Ah right:
"Cuba has WMD! New York could be a Mushroom cloud in 45minutes!"

	11-10-2003 00:00									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I find this interesting too. Commies like to say that prior examples have betrayed "true" communism. However, they will defend every communist country to the bitter end.

Something's better than nothing when you can't have everything. Castro is far better that what came before and very likely far better than what will come after. Compared with Purto Rico, Jamaica, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic, Cuba is quite nice. But of course, no one talks about those shitty countries because they're capitalist.

Hell, Jamaica's so poor you can't even leave the tourist areas or you'll be kidnapped, robbed, raped (if a woman) and killed. And Haiti, ****, Haiti's a basket case. There are almost as many Haitans in the U.S. as Cubans. Where's the great handwringing concern about Haiti? Unlike the claims about Cuba, there is actual documented proof of the Domincan Republic using (Hatian) slave labor on its plantations.

But you don't wat to hear all that becuase it would mess with your nice little ideology.

	11-10-2003 00:26									#28
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A hypothetical question for you all.

Castro announces Cuba will hold free elections. Everyone can vote and anyone can run. A spirited debate starts, and parties are formed. UN inspectors are invited in--the polls are passed by them, the voters can pick any candidate without threat or coercion.

How many of you would actually believe it? Or would you just pass it off as a show without real substance of freedom?

	11-10-2003 00:36									#29
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A gift for Fidel.

	11-10-2003 00:41									#30
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Thanks Tex

What's wrong with just waiting for the old man to finally croak? Isn't that what we've been doing for 30 years now anyways?