16-10-2003 22:40									#1
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This is a word I'm seeing quite often in France now, on every gay outlet, it says it is for "Gays" and "Gay-friendly" people (this was the original French version). Since the word is a direct English word, I guess it is a trend that has started in the States.

However, I don't quite see what a "gay-friendly" person is. Someone who doesn't wish all gays to burn in hell ? Someone who isn't gay but who's interested in gay culture ? Someone who indulges in homosexual sex in only one way rather than the full menu ?

	16-10-2003 22:44									#2
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I guess it's like those job ads "we encourage women and minorities to apply". It doesn't necessarily mean anything.

	16-10-2003 22:45									#3
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Gay-friendly just means they don't have a problem with your sexuality.

	16-10-2003 22:50									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Someone who doesn't wish all gays to burn in hell ?

I've never heard the term used in that way before, but I'm guessing it means this.

	16-10-2003 22:53									#5
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if a guy has got his hand on your penis, he's probably gay-friendly.

	16-10-2003 23:05									#6
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quote: Someone who doesn't wish all gays to burn in hell ?

Cool. I'm 'gay-friendly'.

I don't wish that they'd burn in hell.

	16-10-2003 23:25									#7
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I always thought of this as someone who doesn't particularly care.

	16-10-2003 23:28									#8
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I'm very gay friendly

	16-10-2003 23:35									#9
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Im veeery gay-friendly if they're hot, coed lesbos.

	16-10-2003 23:40									#10
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Its like 'We welcome gays, but we ain't gayourselves, we only have sex with men because with want to experiment, but we are not gay. I havn't slept with a woman since I was 17 incidentaly.'

I think thats what it means

	16-10-2003 23:42									#11
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Well, if you're my friend, then you're gay friendly!

But on a serious note, "Gay Friendly" means anyone who is not bothered by the gay culture and actually supports its diversity.

	16-10-2003 23:45									#12
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Then I guess I am "gay neutral".

I don't like "gay culture" too much.

Hey, I don't think that Asher is gay friendly, either!

	16-10-2003 23:46									#13
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What is "gay culture"?

	16-10-2003 23:51									#14
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Well Asher, gay culture is well, far reaching and has different meanings to different people...

For example: Perform a search on Google.com using using the keywords gay and cuture (+gay +culture), and you will receive 4,630,000 hits on the subject...so gay culture can and does have different meanings to different people. I hope this helps - yes, I know, clear as mud!

	16-10-2003 23:56									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What is "gay culture"?

Spandex and leather.

	17-10-2003 00:02									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Spandex and leather.

	17-10-2003 00:06									#17
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Wittlich, nitpicking here, but that search result is kind of misleading.

"gay culture" only gets 19800 hits

	17-10-2003 00:15									#18
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from a site dedicated to russian gay culture.


http://community.middlebury.edu/~moss/RGC.html

	17-10-2003 00:19									#19
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Well, here's a list of the searches I performed:

gay culture .... 4,470,00 hits
"gay culture" ... 29,600 hits
+gay +culture .... 4,630,000 hits

Gangerolf, I'm not sure why your "gay culture" only returned 19,800 hits, while my "gay culture" returned 29,600 hits ... you are using the same internet as me, right?

But you are right. I guess this is rather beside the point of this thread.

	17-10-2003 00:24									#20
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+gay +culture 2,150,000
gay culture 1,360,000

Strange. I guess my google is broken. Who do I call?

	17-10-2003 00:56									#21
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What about friendly gays?

	17-10-2003 01:37									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Cool. I'm 'gay-friendly'. I don't wish that they'd burn in hell.

Um . . . .

you're not gay-friendly in my book.



As Asher said, being gay friendly basically means you're not homophobic or heterosexist.

	17-10-2003 01:44									#23
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Well, I have no problem with gays being gays, but I have a problem with them building a community, so that its members feel separate from the rest of the population because of their gayness (it is a consistent opinion for me to be against communitarization).

Am I still gay friendly if I have no problem with the sexuality, but with the community being built around it ? (the idea of community, not the people)

	17-10-2003 01:46									#24
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wtf is heterosexist? ( for the last time )

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Well, I have no problem with gays being gays, but I have a problem with them building a community, so that its members feel separate from the rest of the population because of their gayness (it is a consistent opinion for me to be against communitarization).

People are going to relate to other people who have similar life experiences within the same group.

Just fundamental, basic human behavior of everyone.

	17-10-2003 01:51									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel wtf is heterosexist? ( for the last time )

IMO, I think there can be a distinction made between homophobia and heterosexism.

Homophobia is based on hatred of homosexuals.

Heterosexism is based on the belief that heterosexuality is superior to homosexuality.


I think it's possible for one to be heterosexist and not be homophobic, but you certainly cannot be homophobic without being heterosexist, as well.

Example -- you can have a friend who is gay, even if you're straight, but at the same time, you can still hold the attitude that heterosexuality is superior to homosexuality -- at the risk of alienating your gay friend, however.

But you really cannot be homophobic and be friends with someone who is gay.


Similar I guess, to a chauvinistic, sexist man married to a woman.

	17-10-2003 01:54									#27
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun People are going to relate to other people who have similar life experiences within the same group.

Yep, but the purposeful production of culture within said group, along as the purposeful separation from the rest of society is something I condemn, because it leads people to say "I'm gay" before "I'm French" or "I'm human".

Gays have done a terrific job in the past decades so that heteroes see them as "normal people". With their whole community-building, it seems they don't want to be seen as "normal people" anymore. It just makes the bed of the homophobe agenda

(btw, In more general matters, I'm very opposed to the muslim community-building in France, which intends to separate Muslims from the rest of the population. These cretins are really helping Le Pen )

	17-10-2003 01:56									#28
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So you're appalled that homosexuals are more comfortable in gay communities??

	17-10-2003 02:00									#29
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quote: Originally posted by self biased if a guy has got his hand on your penis, he's probably gay-friendly.

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quote: Similar I guess, to a chauvinistic, sexist man married to a woman.

I am hetrosexist, according to your definition. However I don't think that gay people are worse than straight people. This are two different things/