17-10-2003 14:11									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Who the hell is Alex?

This lecherous pervert

	17-10-2003 14:13									#62
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I can't beat that guy in the pervert department.

	17-10-2003 16:41									#63
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quote: WMP9 uses 8.5MB of RAM and 2% CPU playing the same song.

it still feels heavy, whether it is or not. response time for minimization is slower, it eats up more processor time with the visualizations, i hate the "media library" (i'll organize my music my own, long, damn way, thank you), the default skin is clunky...
give me the spartan winamp2 anyday.
i'll give winamp5 a shot, though...

quote: Even WMP9 and Office 2003 don't require you to reboot these days.

amen and praise the lord. i like office 2k3.

	17-10-2003 18:17									#64
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quote: Originally posted by alva * alva wonders what happened to winamp 4??

Winamp 5 is Winamp 2 + Winamp 3.

	17-10-2003 18:19									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Same here. I use the taskbar quite a lot, and I hate when it appears / disappears all the time. When I'm not playing full screen, I like my computer to remain static and calm so that I can work more efficiently

Are you confusing locking the taskbar with auto-hide?

There's no point to using the taskbar unlocked unless you constantly move its position around on the screen, unlocked uses up more screen realestate (enough for two tray icons or so) just to display the little bumpy-circle things to tell you it's unlocked. When you have the bar in a position you like, you simply lock it and get more space back.

	18-10-2003 00:27									#66
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Asher is way too biased for my tastes. He's always critical of anything that is NOT Wintel or Wintel related in the tech world. That's why I will continue to keep him on ignore.

I say no more and read no more.

By the way, "HELL FROZE OVER!"

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	18-10-2003 04:21									#67
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so why am i not biased for my review of itunes? or the review at osnews.com ? they didn't say anything that different from what asher said, although they might have been more tactful...

	18-10-2003 04:24									#68
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quote: Originally posted by alva * alva wonders what happened to winamp 4??

There'll never be a Winamp4. They are working Winamp5 right now (based on the 2+3=5 logic that makes sense to Nullsoft and me). Winamp3 is excellent for my purposes and, yes, I have tried WMP and foobar2000.

	18-10-2003 04:55									#69
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Do people actually like visualizations and all that other cra... er ... stuff (like faux equalizers and useless waveform monitors)? I find that cra... er ... stuff to be incredibly annoying. I like my music player minimized down to nothing but play, skip, stop and the name of the tune. I only need all the other controls when I'm setting up playlists and assigning equalization settings to files. When I don't need it, I don' t want to see it.

	18-10-2003 05:00									#70
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quote: Originally posted by - Groucho - Do people actually like visualizations and all that other cra... er ... stuff (like faux equalizers and useless waveform monitors)? I find that cra... er ... stuff to be incredibly annoying. I like my music player minimized down to nothing but play, skip, stop and the name of the tune. I only need all the other controls when I'm setting up playlists and assigning equalization settings to files. When I don't need it, I don' t want to see it.

I wouldn't mind the visualizations so much(speaking of WMP9), if they weren't so poorly done.

	18-10-2003 05:13									#71
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I find the iTunes zisualizations pretty good... Not preset like WMP.

	18-10-2003 05:20									#72
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I use iTunes at home and the visualizations just bug me.

Asher: I'm kind of surprised that you keep them on. They serve no purpose whatsoever and use otherwise useful clock cycles. What's the point in maximizing the amount of processing power you've got if you're just going to flush it away on cheesy light shows?

	18-10-2003 05:45									#73
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Says the one who posts on Poly

What a hypcrite

	18-10-2003 06:05									#74
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My ex-roomate like the visualizations.

Of course, that was only when he was tripping on acid and everyone else was either asleep or ignoring him.

The rest of his time was spend playing everquest

	18-10-2003 06:08									#75
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those visualizations good?

they're cheap knockoffs. the original, the ultimate, was geiss 4.23 for winamp2. it's now up to geiss 4.24 or something, and there's a geiss2, but the best one was geiss for winamp.

written in assembly, for god's sake.

	18-10-2003 06:29									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed so why am i not biased for my review of itunes? or the review at osnews.com ? they didn't say anything that different from what asher said, although they might have been more tactful...

Um - did you read the same review I did? They complained about slow UI performance and some radio stations that kept dropping out.

Otherwise it was a complimentary review.

I thought you were right when you said that itunes does what a lot of individual apps do on Windows. I prefer to have one app to do it all.

Doesn't matter much - if you have a Windows ipod it's a godsend - otherwise, it's just another jukebox.

	18-10-2003 06:31									#77
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quote: Originally posted by - Groucho - I use iTunes at home and the visualizations just bug me. Asher: I'm kind of surprised that you keep them on. They serve no purpose whatsoever and use otherwise useful clock cycles. What's the point in maximizing the amount of processing power you've got if you're just going to flush it away on cheesy light shows?

Who said I keep them on?

I keep the simple waveform one on because it doesnt take hardly any CPU, it still sits at "0%".

I don't use the other visualizations whatsoever, most of the time my Winamp is in window shade mode with a playlist under it.

	18-10-2003 06:33									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I thought you were right when you said that itunes does what a lot of individual apps do on Windows. I prefer to have one app to do it all.

How does it do it all? The only thing it does in addition to a minimalist program like Winamp is built in CD burning. On the other hand, Winamp is a true media player and supports far more formats, and even a huge array of video files.

iTunes is "all in one" in that it's a bloaty jukebox program with a minibrowser and mediocre CD burning software.

	18-10-2003 06:41									#79
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quote: Um - did you read the same review I did? They complained about slow UI performance and some radio stations that kept dropping out. Otherwise it was a complimentary review.

i never said it wasn't. i just said it brought up a lot of the same points asher did. not all of asher's points, by any stretch.

quote: I thought you were right when you said that itunes does what a lot of individual apps do on Windows. I prefer to have one app to do it all.

windows also has quite a few do-it-all apps. musicmatch jukebox, wmp, for instance. i don't like either of them too much. actually, i hate musicmatch, and only use wmp for video and at work, where all of the comps i deploy have wmp, and not winamp, because they don't need winamp.

	18-10-2003 06:42									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Um - did you read the same review I did? They complained about slow UI performance and some radio stations that kept dropping out. Otherwise it was a complimentary review. i never said it wasn't. i just said it brought up a lot of the same points asher did. not all of asher's points, by any stretch.

Fair enough.

	18-10-2003 06:58									#81
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i mean, i realize because of ashers fundamentalist belief in windows, he doesn't come across as trustworth to you fundamentalist macheads... but sometimes he does have a point, even if he might be a bit rabid about it.

either way, give me the lightweight ones. i like the several independent programs, because instead of having one big program do a bunch of things in a sorta mediocre fashion, you've got several programs, each of which do their one thing extraordinary well.

	18-10-2003 07:07									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed i mean, i realize because of ashers fundamentalist belief in windows, he doesn't come across as trustworth to you fundamentalist macheads... but sometimes he does have a point, even if he might be a bit rabid about it. .

Sometimes he does, but I can't be bothered with the deliberate bullshitting. The rest of it is just amusing.

	18-10-2003 07:28									#83
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as for winamp 5 beta 1:

looks like they took a few pages out of the now defunct sonique. (yes, there's *supposed* to be a sonique 2 team, but after lycos fired all the original developers early in that program, i have found the new team to be less than spectacular.) most reminiscent is the decending equalizer.
i don't like the new skin, and i'm saddened by the creation of "winamp pro". especially since they've turned it into an all-in-one program.
it's just as responsive as winamp2 when it's in the classic skin, just slightly less so in modern. far more responsive than winamp3. i like the built-in backwards plugin compatibility.

still, i'll use winamp5 like winamp2. in classic skin mode, with classic plugins.

	18-10-2003 07:37									#84
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I used to use a thing called mint audio. It was about 3cm by 1 on the screen.

	18-10-2003 07:53									#85
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yeah, when mp3s were brand new, you had all these great players that were tiny.

i remember soritong and audioactive... audioactive was tiny, about 150 pixels square, maybe.

	18-10-2003 07:55									#86
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Re: the music store I see a few problems with the various formats.

I predict that, of the current crop, only Apple's and Dell's will survive. The reason being that the Apple Store doesn't actually make that much money. Presumably the other stores are in much the same boat. But it appears that only Apple and Dell have the benefit of using it to push their audio players which are making (Apple at least) a huge wad of cash.

Anyway, some figures.

The itunes music store in the last weeks accounted for over 70% of online music sales, despite being available to less than 5% of the computer using public (and less than that, since Classic Mac OS users cannot use itunes 4). That leaves 30% for buymusic and the others. WTF have they been doing? Surely they should be selling more than that.

Moreover the ipod has a 31% market share of purchased mp3 players. That's quite respectable. It also accounts for over half the money spent on mp3 players (since it costs more).

Looks like the hardware people win this round.

	18-10-2003 08:06									#87
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For small I go with Zinf.... but the darn thing minimizes to the taskbar!

Attachment: zinf.jpg
This has been downloaded 72 time(s).

	18-10-2003 08:31									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed so why am i not biased for my review of itunes? or the review at osnews.com ? they didn't say anything that different from what asher said, although they might have been more tactful...

This is Asher's thread, not yours, and I haven't read it and refuse to because I know it's full of more of the same bs I always get from Mr. Biased Troll (Asher).

I really wish he would stop doing that, you know. Ever since I've known him, Asher has done nothing but made a "bad guy" image for himself on Poly; he's always looking to pick a fight. Of course, the day he stops trolling will most likely be the day that, you guessed it, "Hell Freezes Over!" But maybe not; I'll just keep praying for him. Hopefully one these days he'll be willing make a truce and lighten up a lot.

	18-10-2003 08:45									#89
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The problem the Macheads have is you ignore what you don't want to hear, not that people have problems with it.

	18-10-2003 09:22									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The problem the Macheads have is you ignore what you don't want to hear, not that people have problems with it.

If you had more tact, and weren't looking to pick a fight, more people would listen to you, Asher. It's time for you to snap out of it. Please. I'm asking you nicely.

I'm sure you hear a lot of things from me and Agathon that you don't want to hear either. Now I don't know Agathon as well as I know you, but I do know that when I hear something from you that I don't want to hear, I always try to stay calm. You on the other hand go off like an atom bomb when you hear something from me and/or Agathon you don't want to hear!

I always try to stay calm in heated debates. You may have noticed I tend to ignore people when they blow up on these boards. That's for a reason; the reason is that heated debates never get anywhere so I figure it's a waste of my time.

My point: Let's try to be more civilized from now on, eh?