18-10-2003 10:42									#91
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Who is not being civilized?

All I'm noticing is you and Agathon are both ignoring what you don't want to hear -- Agathon by downright ignoring it and you by skirting around it with a veiled ad hominem.

	18-10-2003 10:43									#92
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mpg123 all the way!
Takes up no screen space whatsoever(not that I care about screen space when I have 48 screens(300 after my next reboot))

	18-10-2003 12:30									#93
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I think this sums it up pretty well.

quote: I laughed when I went to the Apple site and saw that they call itunes the best Windows app ever. Now I am enjoying a playlist full of Beck and I think those sons of *****es might be right. -Gabe out

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	18-10-2003 12:32									#94
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Haven't we already been through my opinion of Gabe and Tyco before in the console threads?

How could it be the best Windows app ever when it doesn't do anything other Windows players already do, uses several times the resources, has a virtually uncustomizable and huge interface, plays a limited subset of media types, and runs like molasses?

	18-10-2003 12:34									#95
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Do you ever sleep?

	18-10-2003 12:35									#96
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It's 1:30am on a friday night, what kind of question is that?

	18-10-2003 12:36									#97
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Why are you at home at 1:30 on a Friday night?

	18-10-2003 12:37									#98
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Because I just dropped the BF off at home since he has to get up early for Jeet Kune Do class, and it's too early to go to bed.

	18-10-2003 15:58									#99
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Because somebody wanted to minimize iTunes to tray:
This can be done using an utility like rbtray. Available here: http://www.geocities.com/rbtray/
This not lets you minimize itunes to tray but all other windows software as well. It uses about 2Mb of System memory (quite a bit for a 19k app). But it's kind of handy sending OE to tray for example.

	18-10-2003 17:46									#100
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How come nobody's talking about the effect the launch of the iTunes music store on Windows will have on Microsoft's attempt to shove Windows Media Audio down the throats of the public? Apple is singlehandedly pushing the AAC format and, with their marketshare lead in music download sales, they have a good chance of making AAC the de facto industry standard. This scares the **** out of Microsoft, of course, which is why Asher was on here right away to bash iTunes. Must've got an emergency action message from Redmond...

	18-10-2003 19:07									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Who is not being civilized? All I'm noticing is you and Agathon are both ignoring what you don't want to hear -- Agathon by downright ignoring it and you by skirting around it with a veiled ad hominem.

So you're not going to accept a truce?

	18-10-2003 22:17									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's a resource hog: Playing a simple 4 minute MP3 it uses 32MB of RAM and 3-5% of my Athlon 64 3200+. The exact same song in Winamp 2.91 uses "0%" of my CPU consistently and 7.6MB of RAM.

Yeah, iTunes is a real resource hog!!!

	18-10-2003 23:31									#103
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quote: Originally posted by August Borms Yeah, iTunes is a real resource hog!!!

What did you do to get it that small? The smallest it got for me was 25MB.

	18-10-2003 23:32									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten How come nobody's talking about the effect the launch of the iTunes music store on Windows will have on Microsoft's attempt to shove Windows Media Audio down the throats of the public?

What an interesting spin.

Apple is attempting to shove AAC down the throats of the public, simply because it's not Microsoft.

At least WMA9 is far cheaper to license and more powerful. And we won't even mention Apple's proprietary DRM that they refuse to license out in AAC...

Which is why the iPod is the only player that can play iTunes music, which is precisely what Apple wants.

MS offers far more choice, believe it or not. WMP9 has 3 digital music stores to choose from, and supports virtually all devices...

	18-10-2003 23:34									#105
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When will we be getting a WMP9 vs. WinAmp vs. iTunes poll?

	18-10-2003 23:35									#106
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Winamp would win, unquestionably.

Look at the average ratings on BetaNews:

iTunes for Windows: 2.8/5
Winamp 5 Beta: 4.7/5

	18-10-2003 23:46									#107
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quote: Version Reviewed: 4.1.0.52 Reviewed by: patman Date: October 17th, 2003 12:40 AM I was really looking forward to this program, and it failed to deliver. The first thing it did was wipe everything off my Ipod as it brilliantly synced with my empty music library.. and then proceeded to crash 4 times as I tried to add music to it. Rating: **

quote: Version Reviewed: 4.1.0.52 Reviewed by: dragondaw Date: October 17th, 2003 1:43 AM This program is sad. i have 1GB of ram. with background apps running i have about 620mb left. and i still can't get to the music store when i click for it. i get this error message "We could not complete your Music Store request. There is not enough memory available". what more does this program need? looks like it's back to Kazaa for me. without getting to the music store to reg. i can't buy anything! argh! Rating: *

quote: Version Reviewed: 4.1.0.52 Reviewed by: kichik Date: October 16th, 2003 7:46 PM I really don't like this... It works way better on the Mac. On Windows it takes a lot of memory (40MB for just playing an MP3), wastes many CPU cycles (10% just for playing MP3s and 40-50% when browsing the online store), it is slow (just try scrolling some window), songs skip (probably just my old computer but it's not that's slow... I have P3 800mhz and 512MB or RAM) and the download is 19MB! The way I see it, this iTunes version is a bloated and sluggish beta. I wish I could say it's my computer's fault, but similar results were seen even on high end PCs (2+ GHz with 1GB DDR RAM). Rating: *

Seems I am not alone.

	18-10-2003 23:46									#108
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quote: And we won't even mention Apple's proprietary DRM that they refuse to license out in AAC...

When did Apple ever say that they refuse to license out Fairplay? I think you're fibbing again, you naughty boy.

	18-10-2003 23:49									#109
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How am I fibbing? Just because Apple doesn't issue a press release saying they won't license it doesn't mean it's not true.

Why do you think the Nomads, iRivers, Rios, Samsungs, etc. all don't support AAC? Because the only point to supporting AAC would be to support iTunes, and the whole point of the music store is to get people to buy iPods, and Apple won't license out their DRM to other hardware makers simply because it defeats the purpose of their money-losing store.

It's simple business...

	18-10-2003 23:53									#110
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quote: Just because Apple doesn't issue a press release saying they won't license it doesn't mean it's not true.

You said, and I quote...

quote: And we won't even mention Apple's proprietary DRM that they refuse to license out in AAC...

How can they have "refused" to license Fairplay out if they've never addressed the subject? I can't find a statement by Apple saying that they refuse to license it out, so unless you come up with something I'll just have to assume you're lying yet again.

	19-10-2003 02:19									#111
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AAC is the successor to MP3 plain and simple because of it's higher compression ratio. This means that your music will sound much better at 128kbps AAC than at 128kbps MP3.

WMA is a proprietary standard from Microsoft, while AAC is an open standard just like MP3, and history shows us that the open standards usually win.

	19-10-2003 02:27									#112
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Oh, one other thing. Both MP3 and AAC were invented by the same company. AAC comes from the MP4 codec, so that's proof positive that AAC is indeed the successor to MP3.

	19-10-2003 02:52									#113
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mp3, aac, and wma suck.

ogg vorbis all the way!!

	19-10-2003 03:08									#114
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quote: How can they have "refused" to license Fairplay out if they've never addressed the subject?

Are you really making this silly argument, Drake? You can refuse to license out something by simply not licensing it out... you don't have to issue a press release and usually you don't want to.

	19-10-2003 03:22									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy AAC is the successor to MP3 plain and simple because of it's higher compression ratio. This means that your music will sound much better at 128kbps AAC than at 128kbps MP3. WMA is a proprietary standard from Microsoft, while AAC is an open standard just like MP3, and history shows us that the open standards usually win.

MP3, AAC, and WMA are all proprietary standards. OGG is an open standard.

And AAC isn't the successor to MP3, MP3 Pro is.

WMA and AAC are both far more advanced than MP3, unfortunately WMA is more advanced than AAC and also far cheaper.

WMA is the cheapest of the three to use, AAC is the most pricey, and MP3 is in the middle.

That's the reason all of the DVD, CD, etc. players coming out support WMA rather than AAC.

In addition to AAC costing the most to license for portable MP3 players, the AAC files Apple uses use their proprietary DRM which means they won't play on standard AAC players. The portable audio players won't pay for and add AAC support when basically the only market for AAC is iTunes, and Apple won't license out iTunes' DRM for others to use.

Hence only the iPod supports, and likely will support, AAC. Everyone else will support WMA in addition to MP3, and maybe OGG.

Apple's slowly but surely going to screw themselves out of the market with this policy, like they've done with the Macintosh.

	19-10-2003 03:23									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: How can they have "refused" to license Fairplay out if they've never addressed the subject? Are you really making this silly argument, Drake? You can refuse to license out something by simply not licensing it out... you don't have to issue a press release and usually you don't want to.

But then you'd expect complaints from other companies who would like to license it. So far there haven't been any.

	19-10-2003 03:27									#117
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Ideally yes. But it makes no sense for AAC to be so much better than mp3 (like Nice Guy says) and for only Apple to be using it! If that is the case, then it would make sense to say that Apple is refusing to licence it out. Or, contrary, that AAC isn't really that great.

	19-10-2003 03:29									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon But then you'd expect complaints from other companies who would like to license it. So far there haven't been any.

On the Nomad newsgroup (sorry, no link), the Creative digital audio manager says they're considering adding OGG in an upcoming firmware update but Apple was not "cooperating" with licensing the AAC format used in iTunes.

It seems, surprise surprise, that Apple doesn't want to allow other media players to play their iTunes files. After all, iTunes only loses them money -- he's made it very clear the purpose of iTunes is to get people to buy iPods.

So, really, why do you guys find it so hard to believe that Apple doesn't want to license out the iTunes AAC and DRM?

	19-10-2003 03:33									#119
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Has anyone used this feature for iTunes?

quote: New Music Sharing feature iTunes 4 has a Music Sharing feature that uses Rendezvous to give you remote streaming access to your personal music library from any room in your house. Let’s say, for instance, that you have thousands of AAC and MP3 music files stored on a mac or Windows computer in your home office. The iTunes software works so smoothly on both platforms that you can share music with any combination of Macs and Windows PCs on a local area network — regardless of whether you’re running iTunes off a Mac or PC. And you won’t have to manually configure anything, either.

	19-10-2003 03:39									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ideally yes. But it makes no sense for AAC to be so much better than mp3 (like Nice Guy says) and for only Apple to be using it! If that is the case, then it would make sense to say that Apple is refusing to licence it out. Or, contrary, that AAC isn't really that great.

It's not Apple's to license out AFAIK. What Drake is talking about is the particular DRM software called Fairplay. Not all AAC files utilise fairplay (for example, the ones you rip yourself).

Verto: heaps of people use it. It's just a networking thing. It works very well.

Anyway, I just found out that some Win2K users who installed itunes contracted AIDS!!!!

FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD.....