12-11-2003 12:17									#61
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How about each player having a hidden agenda? One agenda could be to reach a certain population count, another could be taking a certain city (made impenetrable to begin with, of course) and yet another could be to achieve Fundamentalism. Achieving these goals needn't end the game. Instead, they could give the player certain powers. Or each player could have two objectives, a secondary and a primary. Achieving the secondary objective gives you extra turns and means you must reveal your primary objective, achieving the primary objective lets you win.

This way, players could forge alliances and try their hand at manipulating other players into following their own plans, while making sure that your objectives aren't too obvious.

	10-12-2003 19:16									#62
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I've got Lazy to play tonight, but I'm not sure that it will work so I was thinking of starting a new SXN. Given the success people have been having recently in gifting the AI, and in a spirit of seasonal goodwill, I propose the gifting game.

Chinese roasting on an open fire
This is a working title only, as any civ could be played.
A normal game of wonderful Civ 2, but whenever you are asked to donate a little something to an enemy civ, you must give it without question. (Note on tech requests - always the first choice) Furthermore, once the capital has been settled, for every city that you found, you must "give" another to our friends all across the world. This basically means building the city to size 2 and then abandoning it without defenders so that the barbs or another civ may benefit from our largesse. We should do all we can to build Marco's so that we can spread some good cheer across the world and ensure that our gifts are all delivered on time. In order that things do not get that easy, then once Marco's has been finished, the civs must be talked to every other turn, one at a time in order. So:
(0) Marco's built!
(1) -
(2) Talk to Celts, Iron Working gifted.
(3) -
(4) Talk to Babylonians, 100g tribute paid.
(5) -
(6) Talk to Aztecs, elephant gifted.

Got that?

If anyone wants to comment on this then please do before I start a new thread for it. I'll probably copy most of this post across onto that.

	10-12-2003 20:48									#63
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With the holidays and the "speed" with which current SXN games are being played, perhaps it would be better to wait a bit before firing off another one. Just a thought.

Monk

	10-12-2003 21:01									#64
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Interesting... can we exploit the goodwill generated by all the gifts (by exacting maps, tribute or gifts)?

If we are gifting every second turn and stay Spotless, the AIs may be slow at taking our abandoned cities.

Also, what happens when we run out of cash/techs/units to gift?

	10-12-2003 21:02									#65
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That's what I thought (and mentioned in another post somewhere round here), so I posted the proposal here instead in the hope that someone would say just that, rather than starting it and then seeing it disappear down the forum as people dropped out or missed their turns. We need succession quality, not quantity!

	11-12-2003 01:10									#66
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Building a city and leaving another empty -- no growth; build two, one for us and one "available" -- sounds ok (can anyone spell ICS? -- I'm now getting into the habit of having a number of empty cities.)

Soooo what happens if we just happen to 'acquire' a city?

Contact with a civ every other turn rotates through a dozen turns -- any problem with 'gifting more', or talking more often?

	11-12-2003 01:18									#67
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The Dirtys

No aqueducts (nor sewers of course) -- and if we conquer a city with one it gets sold off.

The tech plan is to rush to Steam so we can build the Eiffel Tower (our most cherished wonder) -- plan accordingly (hopefully there will be better governments and other items along the way.)

Final stipulation -- we must, absolutely must get our reputation down to atrocious and keep it there!.

	11-12-2003 11:21									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow The Dirtys No aqueducts (nor sewers of course) -- and if we conquer a city with one it gets sold off. The tech plan is to rush to Steam so we can build the Eiffel Tower (our most cherished wonder) -- plan accordingly (hopefully there will be better governments and other items along the way.) Final stipulation -- we must, absolutely must get our reputation down to atrocious and keep it there!.

I like it!

No Hoover/Mass Transit/Recycling Centre/Hydro Dam/Solar Plant, and no cleaning up pollution allowed, and I'm in!

(assuming the game lasts that long....)

	11-12-2003 14:24									#69
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Yuk - Gits are extremely fastidious animals!

	11-12-2003 14:59									#70
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Can we have a race to global warming?
We'd need KRC to get a good early start, as much production as possible, and then factories everywhere with no mass transit in the large cities, and no pollution-reducing plants of any kind. If that hasn't got the world burning up then we'd have no option but to release the nukes!

OnS - what is the point of building the Tower if we're supposed to be at Atrocious all the time?

	11-12-2003 21:39									#71
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Gives us a chance to be repeatedly nasty, to keep our reputation from getting repaired.

Except for the filth, this sounds like RAR heaven... I'm in!

	11-12-2003 21:48									#72
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The point of the tower (pun attempted) is to force us to stay atrocious.

Game to start in the new year.

	12-12-2003 08:27									#73
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Is Atrocious worse than Despicable? It's been so long since I bothered looking at my reputation, once it dropped below 'Questionable'.

Also, if we have to beeline to Atrocious immediately: As soon as we meet someone, do we have to make peace and then break the peace treaty, as opposed to not making peace in the first place?

Whatever... Count me in!

	14-12-2003 04:47									#74
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After Silly Rules I is done, of course.

The twist to this one is that the rules would be different for each player.

Rule suggestions would be solicited from the group - we'd need a set number of players for this to work, and only those players could suggest rules. We'd need about 40-80 rules. Duplicate rules would be allowed.

The first player must choose a rule - or possibly 2 - from the rule list. He and only he will abide by this rule for the rest of the game (said rule is then crossed off the list). The second player does the same, and so on. The second time through the play list, each player adds a rule (or 2) to the first rule(s), and abides by both. The end result is that everyone plays by a different set of rules, and after several passes through the playlist, the list for each person could get extensive.

Since each rule need not be unique, it would be interesting to see a game where 7 players are unable to build Wonders, but the 8th could... or 4 out of 8 being unable to use naval units... etc. No one could select the same rule twice, of course (if I'm already banned from building Settlers, I couldn't choose that rule again).

Just a thought. A more evil way to play would be to allow the preceding player to choose a rule for his successor.

	15-12-2003 15:12									#75
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That sounds downright silly!

It'd be very important to get a good start in that game, before the extra rules kick in, and things get very tough.

Can I propose that in the first round, each player suggests a new rule for themseleves, in the second a rule for their successor, and in the third a rule for their predecessor, etc. This would allow a little pay-back if someone unleashed a particularly evil rule in one turnset.

	15-12-2003 20:54									#76
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It sounds crazy -- it sounds silly -- it sounds like fun. I'm in.

So we're looking at a rule or two to abide by for round one, build to two to four for round two, make it 3-5 for round three, and so on?

I think that a coupon for each player has a lot of merit as well.

Sounds like one of the dealor's choice seven card stud games I played once -- place & show, twist your neighbor.

	15-12-2003 21:25									#77
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The 'coupon' could be one of the rules in the list...

	08-01-2004 21:34									#78
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Silly is done -- any objection if we start another...there was some desire about getting down and...Dirty

	09-01-2004 23:43									#79
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Quick, start it before we drop below critical mass!!

	13-02-2004 03:15									#80
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As we start the beginning of the end for Lazy (and maybe a couple more) the thought occurred to me that we might enjoy another game "playing" with the modern units.

So I propose -- no attacks (ever) with land units other than Jeep, Tank, or Howie; no ship attacks until DD; no purchases until spy.

Yup -- a bit of a barb awkwardness -- plan ahead. (but even then, this looks like it may be too easy...Hmmm wonder what we could do to make this a little more challenging?)

	13-02-2004 06:57									#81
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I have been wondering why we don't take the game seriously and ban some of the exploits which make it so much easier for the humans. First of all, no incremental rushbuying., Buy it all or not at all! Alternatively, the SMAC version seems fair - only one PRB per city per turn. But I like the rigorous "'touch-move" variant better.

This looks like the Goody Two-Shoes game - only nice and excessively correct behavior allowed. No bribing, reputation must remain spotless, all diplomatic requests must be granted, and extra gifts given on special birthdays. Spaceship, of course. Libraries are ok, because anybody can use them, but Universities are hotbeds of lascivious behavior and should be only allowed with police stations. Marketplaces are ok, but banks are agents of potential usury and must be prohibited. Stock exchanges would not be possible, but if they were, it is just gambling and is obviously immoral. Temples and cathedrals must be built in all cities. No red faces are ever allowed. Certain Wonders are OK - the Oracle and Eiffel Tower, of course - but anything smacking of presumption must be denied. No Colossus or Pyramids (too big), no HG (seeks to glorify a tyrant) LH is borderline - it is big and ostentatious but helps stranded mariners. Women's Suffrage must be built, on a beeline. Monarchy is of course forbidden, but for every turn in Despotism penance must be made.

And units are a problem. Warriors are just young hoodlums and are forbudden. Phalanx has nice uniforms. Archers - pretty nasty aggressive sods. Legins - OK, more nice uniforms. Dips - fine, but they can''t bribe anything. Chariots - too ostentatious. Ditto Elephants. Knights - fine. Pikemen - too crude. Crusaders - of course. Horsemen - fine, but they have to stick to dressage (never attack). Triremes - a slave ship???? Never!. Caravels - OK.

No city can be more than one size bigger than its closest rival.

Does this have possibilities?

	13-02-2004 09:07									#82
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Grigor, this sounds like a religious tyrant. Call it the Savronola Game. It would be very punishment oriented, though not necessarily toward the AI. Another title could be, The Wages of Original Sin, or How We Learned to Accept Our Guilt.

Seems a bit bleak.

Monk

	13-02-2004 14:32									#83
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How's about doing all that under fundy?

GotM whatever number at CFC ages ago was played with fundy from the start by using cheat mode. We could try something similar here, but having to use a spaceship.

	09-03-2004 23:05									#84
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OK it’s been a few months since I’ve started a sxn game, and I have an idea that I’m kicking around. My first couple of offerings (Silly & Lazy) were designed to get us to the late game and enjoy the fun of playing with the advanced units.

This time I’d like to focus on the other side. I’d like to learn/exercise the science and art of early conquest & improve that part of my game. To that end, I’m thinking of a game that will force us to move out & conquer.

Two rules come to mind: #2 -- If anyone discovers Industrialization, we lose. GAME OVER.

#1 -- The last tech we will research is Tactics. (better get Magnetism beforehand…)

Bloodlust. MGE. Giga. Restarts…ON.

	10-03-2004 00:29									#85
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Oooh, yeeaaah!! Sounds like fun.

Monk

	10-03-2004 08:12									#86
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Oooh! I like it! But I fear that restarts on (which ends no earlier than 1500 AD) will not so much inspire us to quick work as inhibit gameplay - for instance, a likely strategy is to knock each civ down to one city and whack 'em in 1500, which will probably mean 1000 years of 'press Enter.'

Smash used to routinely run to chivalry and conquer large (admittedly not Giga) maps by about 500AD, so I think we need to hamstring the Civvers a little more.

How about No Partial Rushbuying - you buy it, you build it!

	10-03-2004 13:36									#87
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I don't entirely agree - yes early conquest is second nature to many players here - but not to all - although early conquest would have been acceptable in nearly all our Succession Games a pre 1500 victory has yet to be achieved by The Academy. Let us do it first - then hamstring us next time.

Stu

	10-03-2004 15:55									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow ... (better get Magnetism beforehand…)

Not on my watch! Lose the Lighthouse and all those lovely Super 'Clads. NEVER!
Anyway - Tactics is for wimps, Monotheism is quite good enough!
Rabid Rodent with foaming incisors awaits the new game excitedly.

Crooks & 'Clads for ever!

Stu

	10-03-2004 18:16									#89
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OK, I agree. Pre-1500 conquest is an excellent goal for the Academy. When does the party begin? And should we have this a set lineup or use the new, improved free-forall setup?

	10-03-2004 18:48									#90
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Your game, your call, Grigor.
(I'm in.)