09-12-2003 01:37									#301
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Which is a funny claim to make, because people said that last year, but Vick only got BETTER as the season went on. His dismantling of Green Bay in the playoffs was something he'd never be able to do in Week 3. They tried to adapt, they haven't succeeded yet.

	09-12-2003 01:38									#302
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If only "adapting to" were the same as "speeding up"...

This guy is past front-line defenders before they can react. Considering that he has, like, 20 games of NFL experience, he's pretty amazing.

I hate the hype and want him to fail, but it's hard not to admire his skills -- footspeed, arm strength, leadership.
and he's gonna get better.

Look at Atlanta before/after, with/without. Michael Vick is the definition of a "difference-maker."

How much of a difference, only time will tell...

	09-12-2003 01:39									#303
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AHHHHHHHH After the Bears pathetic loss, Score Radio host Mike North (a staunch D1ck Jauron apologist) is now saying the PLAYERS are to blame and that the coaches are good.

He says we shouldn't fire Jauron because the players next year wouldn't play as hard because they like Jauron. Let me ask you Mr. North dipshit... HOW DID THE COACHES PREPARE THE PLAYERS FOR THE BEGINNING OF THIS SEASON? 1-5 with the first game being the worst Bears' loss in like 30 years!!!!??!?!?!???!

DIE JAURON!
DIE MIKE NORTH!
DIE JOHN SHOOP!

	09-12-2003 01:43									#304
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Are you really saying the talent on the Bears is good?

	09-12-2003 01:43									#305
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All this talk about losers like Atlanta and Chicago is depressing. Jump on the Eagles bandwagon and root for a real team!

	09-12-2003 01:51									#306
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Are you really saying the talent on the Bears is good?

No, but the coaches game plan isn't condusive to the players... looking at this team now, I think it compares very favorably to the 2001 team. The offensive play calling is terrible, the plays are retarded, and the game plan is crap. Anthony Thomas, while not a superb player, is still good enough to get 1200-1400 yards a season and have a few 100+ games. But the coaches don't use Thomas correctly. Thomas needs 25+ carries because he is the type of runner that gets better as the game progresses. When opponents stack the box with 8 guys, the offense should adjust and beat them with passing. Kordell's not Montana, but he's competent enough to at least complete a pass if the play is good.

And look at the young players on the Bears. Jauron didn't want to give any of them a chance. But when injuries (and perhaps management) forced his hand to give young players a chance, THEY PLAY GOOD. Charles Tillman has emerged as a very good corner, and Lance Briggs is a good Linebacker. But training camp was a JOKE! It didn't prepare the team for the beginning of the year, and they didn't even evaluate the young talent. It was by sheer luck that these players found their way into the lineup.

And what about Dez White? He's Jauron's favorite player! This guy drops pass after pass, he runs lazy routes, yet, he finds his way into the lineup game after game. But yet, David Terrell, who is better than White, doesn't get hardly any balls thrown his way. And when Terrell does make a good play, he doesn't see the ball for the rest of the game.

AFLHASBDLFHJKLASHJKLDHASJKH DASK LIE JAURON!

	09-12-2003 02:00									#307
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Sava... all last week I listened to Mike North defend Jauron. He was just licking his chops waiting for the Bears to beat the Packers this weekend to support his point of view... And on Friday, even he admitted that if the Bears lost, he would have to eat some crow and maybe reevaluate his position.

If after watching that pathetic excuse for a game on Sunday, he is still supporting Jauron... He is indeed as much a moron and a liar as he has always been. I was looking forward to my drive home today so I could listen to him finally admit that Jauron had to go. If he is starting to weasle out on that...

HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA... what a moron.

	09-12-2003 02:46									#308
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I admit I was a little scared when the bears went up 14-0. I picked the Packers to easily win.

	09-12-2003 02:47									#309
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I think the offensive play calling in yesterday's play calling was a major problem. Ditto the interceptions of Slash. It seems that they went away from the strength of the offense, running and deep passing, to a short passing game and got stuffed.

	09-12-2003 02:49									#310
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wasn't Jauron a coach of the year candidate a couple of years ago.

You shouldn't fire him. If you had a QB who knew what the hell he was doing, you might actually win some games.

	09-12-2003 02:49									#311
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Well the first problem is that the Bears signed Kordell Stewart to be their QB . I'm telling ya... should have drafted Leftwich instead. He's ALREADY better than Stewart in Jacksonville .

	09-12-2003 03:40									#312
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit If only "adapting to" were the same as "speeding up"...

The move is towards faster defenses. And cerainly teams in his division will speed up their defenses since they will have to play his team twice a year.

	09-12-2003 03:41									#313
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 Jump on the Eagles bandwagon and root for a real team!

We'll see if they can beat Miami next week.

	09-12-2003 04:09									#314
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quote: The move is towards faster defenses.

They've been always moving towards faster defenses. Vick is simply faster than anyone on the field. Carolina is a fairly speedy defense itself.

	09-12-2003 04:14									#315
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Sava... all last week I listened to Mike North defend Jauron. He was just licking his chops waiting for the Bears to beat the Packers this weekend to support his point of view... And on Friday, even he admitted that if the Bears lost, he would have to eat some crow and maybe reevaluate his position. If after watching that pathetic excuse for a game on Sunday, he is still supporting Jauron... He is indeed as much a moron and a liar as he has always been. I was looking forward to my drive home today so I could listen to him finally admit that Jauron had to go. If he is starting to weasle out on that... HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA... what a moron.

yeah it's been funny... and he only took 4 calls from 2PM - 4:30PM

What a chicken... did you hear that caller "****gy"? He really ripped North a new one... although that guy wasn't too bright. He wanted Marv Levy and thought 6 wins was good next year. I have no problem with Levy, but firing Jauron and getting 6 wins sounds stupid.

But yeah, North has weaseled out. I had to turn him off because I couldn't stand to listen to his stupid voice any more.

	09-12-2003 04:18									#316
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quote: I have no problem with Levy

Except that he doesn't want to coach anymore .

quote: but firing Jauron and getting 6 wins sounds stupid.

Well, if it was a 'rebuilding' year and they started Grossman all year in order to build for the future, 6 wins isn't bad.

	09-12-2003 04:26									#317
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The move is towards faster defenses. They've been always moving towards faster defenses. Vick is simply faster than anyone on the field. Carolina is a fairly speedy defense itself.

You will see a fast defense tonight. Did Atanta play the Rams last year? I don't remember.

	09-12-2003 04:33									#318
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quote: You will see a fast defense tonight

Yes and? The average defense is more like Tennessee. There are only a few very fast defenses: St. Louis is one, Tampa is another, Baltimore is a third. There just aren't that many huge, fast defenders to go around.

	09-12-2003 04:40									#319
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: You will see a fast defense tonight Yes and? The average defense is more like Tennessee. There are only a few very fast defenses: St. Louis is one, Tampa is another, Baltimore is a third. There just aren't that many huge, fast defenders to go around.

A lot of defenses are getting faster. The Colts defense is much faster this year.

	09-12-2003 04:42									#320
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quote: A lot of defenses are getting faster. The Colts defense is much faster this year.

So one defense gets faster and suddenly they all are?

The Colts' D is getting faster because of their head coach, who makes an effort to bring in those players, like he did in Tampa... not because there are faster defenders coming out of college.

	09-12-2003 04:49									#321
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: A lot of defenses are getting faster. The Colts defense is much faster this year. So one defense gets faster and suddenly they all are? The Colts' D is getting faster because of their head coach, who makes an effort to bring in those players, like he did in Tampa... not because there are faster defenders coming out of college.

It's a matter of drafting those players who are faster. Teams want faster defenders more than they used to.

	09-12-2003 04:53									#322
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quote: It's a matter of drafting those players who are faster. Teams want faster defenders more than they used to.

Once again, the problem is that people aren't getting faster. Yes, you can bulk up fast players and make them linebackers, but there is only so far you can go. I mean, what use is a very fast defense, which is so small, they have problems tackling big backs?

	09-12-2003 05:00									#323
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: It's a matter of drafting those players who are faster. Teams want faster defenders more than they used to. Once again, the problem is that people aren't getting faster. Yes, you can bulk up fast players and make them linebackers, but there is only so far you can go. I mean, what use is a very fast defense, which is so small, they have problems tackling big backs?

I'm not saying people are getting faster.

edit: Big backs don't win games.

	09-12-2003 05:36									#324
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quote: Originally posted by Sava yeah it's been funny... and he only took 4 calls from 2PM - 4:30PM What a chicken...

Figures... he is such a wimp.

quote: did you hear that caller "****gy"? He really ripped North a new one... although that guy wasn't too bright. He wanted Marv Levy and thought 6 wins was good next year. I have no problem with Levy, but firing Jauron and getting 6 wins sounds stupid.

Yeah... I heard it on the way home... talk about a moron. North said they were going to save if for Marv when he did his weekly call in later this week...

quote: But yeah, North has weaseled out. I had to turn him off because I couldn't stand to listen to his stupid voice any more.

Yeah... he wanted all the veterans to come out publicly and say how they had let the coach down by screwing up... that it was all their fault... and the weaseling continued. And Doug was playing along with him... it was funny in a warped way. I've come to expect that kind of crap from North... I hope the callers don't give him any peace for the rest of the week... it will make the rides home enjoyable

	09-12-2003 05:40									#325
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quote: Big backs don't win games.

Tell that to Carolina and Baltimore. KC also has big back (Holmes is massive). Of course big backs win games!!

	09-12-2003 05:57									#326
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Big backs don't win games. Tell that to Carolina and Baltimore. KC also has big back (Holmes is massive). Of course big backs win games!!

Let's take Baltimore. The Rams handled J. Lewis well enough to win. Faster defenses mean more tacklers.

More teams definitely want speed because speed kills. Size can be overcome by speed.

	09-12-2003 06:05									#327
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quote: Let's take Baltimore. The Rams handled J. Lewis well enough to win. Faster defenses mean more tacklers.

They rode that Lewis to a SuperBowl win. One game or playing against one team doesn't prove much.

Speaking of St. Louis

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram2003.htm

They are 23rd against the run. Speed kills, but it seems that big back can run on them sometimes. The team's D is best against the pass.

Speed kills but so does size. You need both. There aren't as many big speedy defensive players around, compared to offensive players. Offense is where the press is.

	09-12-2003 06:07									#328
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui They are 23rd against the run. Speed kills, but it seems that big back can run on them sometimes. The team's D is best against the pass.

That's exactly my point. You don't have to be good against the run to win.

	09-12-2003 06:08									#329
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quote: You don't have to be good against the run to win.

You do in the playoffs. Remember the time tested adage, to win the playoffs you have to be able to run and stop the run.

	09-12-2003 06:14									#330
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: You don't have to be good against the run to win. You do in the playoffs. Remember the time tested adage, to win the playoffs you have to be able to run and stop the run.

You have to be able to run to keep the defense honest, but you don't have to be great at it. And you don't have to stop the run. Teams that are good at rushing don't score many points. You just have to score more.

Only one team that won the Super Bowl in the last 4 was great at the run and they had a great defense too.