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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001
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Back on Apolyton after a busy week...
BAck to my claim: about the French playing with 14 players only, it was an injury replacement of a lock, therefore the game should have been stopped. This is still no excuse for Ibanez's silly move.
I agree with Tamerlin about math being given too much importance, though it played to my advantage. For me the problem is that too many people at work write sentences with grammatical errors instead of words. Most people don't seem to understand how much this can get on my nerves, but those people are writing software, and unable to speak in their native language. How can you expect them to write in a foreign, artificial (computer) language and not commit bugs? Or, worse, get themselves understood when they ask someone to do something? And then, we often get powerpoint slides written in English by people who aren't even able to write French, and these are reminiscent of the performance of the wallaby front row in a scrum.
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:31
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Originally posted by Havak
Partly true for sure. Here at least it is also partly tribal identity – areas define themselves through their interpretation of our language. I have had to translate for both Geordies and Scots in Sydney –it’s not just accent a lot of the words and phrases are unique variations.  |
That's a bit different. Dialect differences are fine. In fact, they're wonderful, and must be preserved, I think.
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It’s wisely acknowledged here that the entire Aussie nation is behind them. It doesn’t really matter that they have made a good impression – the Aussies would have backed them anyway. |
True. But they've also performed admirably off the field. Friendly, cooperative, no trumpet blowing.
The ABs were based in Melbourne which was probably a bit of a blessing for them in some ways. A non-rugby city, they were allowed to go about their business pretty much unhindered. There is, though, some criticism that, bunkered down, they made absolutely no effort to promote the game down there. They, of course, would argue that it wasn't part of the job description.
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Remember me mentioning John Inverdale, the BBC anchor down there? He did a walkabout in Sydney on Thursday blagging Kiwis and Aussies and asking them one simple question “If X beat you in the semi and it’s England in the final who will you back?” Naturally 100% of Australians answered “the Kiwis” even if some hesitated briefly. What surprised him was despite some soul searching every single Kiwi went for the Aussies too. It is good to be so popular he concluded!  |
Absolutely unsurprising. England is the Old Enemy, regardless of the event.
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:31
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Originally posted by Tamerlin
I know it's a shame but there is no way to change it now, my french teachers were so stupid that they have instilled into me a disgust of classical books.  |
It's never too late.
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Finbar, your English teacher is the kind of teachers everybody would dream to have.  |
Yes, I was very lucky. I was lucky with my French teacher, too. He was actually Russian. Born Vladamir Solohduin, he changed his name to John Collins.  He spoke fluent French with a Russian accent. But, again, he was able to make learning enjoyable. For my last two years, there were only three of us in the class, and it was more of a very small, private club than a school class. We would ask him all the rude words in French and he would tell us. I remember vividly that I only passed the mid-year French exam in Year 11 because, as he said, "of your French essay. The French was terrible, but it showed imagination!"
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BTW, our music teacher tried to teach us how to play flute when we were listening at AC/DC and Van Halen at home. If this is not trying to pee into a violin I don't know what it is.  |
I learned the piano for eight years while listening to the Beatles. Well, not from the outset, obviously, because they didn't appear until about three years into my piano learning. I was the first kid in school to buy the Beatles' first single, "She Loves You", and I took it to school and played it for the class on the music room's record player. The teacher, yet another progressive, was perfectly happy with that. Even if he thought the music was a din and that the Beatles had absolutely no future.
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Havak, "le sieur" is synonymous with mister though it is nowadays seldom used. You will sometimes hear it in old French black and white movies like "Quai des orfèvres". It generally has a formal or sarcastic meaning.  |
And patronising, too, I'd've thought.
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:31
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Originally posted by Caligastia
Hey Finbar, I know you watch your rugby on Fox, so I was wondering if they were pushing Russell Crowe's new one "Master and Commander" in the ad breaks at half time down there. Here they are showing this ad that shows how Crowe got the actors who were to be his crew in the movie in shape by getting them to play rugby. He is asked which countries' team he supports considering that he was brought up in NZ and Australia and he says "Well, I follow the fortunes of the Wallabies, but the blood that runs through these veins is all black". |
The film is a 20th Century Fox production, so Fox is going to cross-promote it as much as they can. But we're not getting the ads with the rugby here. Instead, we're getting some very inventive and amusing ads from the RWC sponsors - Heineken, Peugeot, etc.
I've seen references to Mr Crowe - nasty, boorish person that he is - and his rugby on the set in various interviews.
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LDiCesare
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001
time: 05:31
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Rugby League pudding with 15 players. |
Tamerlin, you saw the half final in preview?
Australia 22 - 10 New Zealand.
Australia defended well. New Zealand forgot how to play rugby.
The good news for Australia is that Mortlock and Tuqiri will play the final (or Eddie Jones will be assassinated) and they managed to get some balls in the lineouts.
The bad news is they are still pitiful in mauls and scrums.
The All Blacks really played an unintelligent game. Spencer running laterally before sending a long pass was really asking Mortlock to intercept the ball. Not doing more than 2 mauls was a strategic mistake.
The biggest difference between the teams was that the Australian forwards ran before they were given the ball, and penetrated the defense, while the kiwis just stood, waiting for wallaby forwards to stroll toward them in order to make a maul-like thing or a ruck 5 meters behind the previous one.
And I still don't get why they played McDonald instead of Carter. Carter had very good kicks at goal during all the cup. Scoring those two penalties could have made a big difference, as it would have forced the Wallabies to react.
The NH tactics next week should be lineout/scrum/maul, else they'll just fall to penaties and the strength of Tuqiri, Mortlock and Sailor.
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:31
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I don't think the All Blacks necessarily forgot how to play rugby, they just weren't allowed to play their preferred style. And, as the Welsh proved, if the All Blacks aren't allowed to play their preferred style, they struggle. They don't have any Plan B or back up. Tonight, the Wallabies finished - via different means - what the Welsh started.
The ABs' lineout misfired - Justin Harrison had his best game since he pinched J****'s ball two years ago - and their forwards were, as LDiCesare observed, constantly in retreat, meaning Carlos never had the space or opportunity to do his thing. And even when he did, apart from his setting up of the try, he was always under pressure.
Obviously I'm pleased with the Wallaby effort. My question is, why has it taken so long? They were committed, they cut down their error rate, and they stuck religiously to their game plan. It's not as if they've been building to this. They just did it. I had no doubt they would lift for tonight's match, I just didn't expect it to be by so much. I'm sure Andydog feels the same way.
My next question is, yet again, why were Mortlock and Tuquiri left out of the team for so long?
Oh, and it was 29C at kick-off. It will be the same or even hotter tomorrow night.
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:31
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Well done the Wallabies – a performance well beyond anything shown so far in the tournament. A rock solid defence, looseys in total control (freezing McCaw out of the game), |
Our looseys were as good as ever, and I thought McCaw was their best forward.
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Larkham looking like he was two years ago |
And Gregan getting his ginger back.
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and as for Mortlock – I think he was possessed? |
No, he only knows one way to play and that's it. As I've asked a number of times, why was Eddie ever preferring Matt Burke in front of him? Mortlock wasn't available for the first match through illness, but played half a match against the Namibians and was replaced at half time by Burke, was left out against Ireland, and was selected against Scotland. And why hasn't Tuquiri been selected in every match? Mortlock and Tuquiri supply exactly what the team has been lacking.
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Here’s the question though Finbar – what has that taken out of the boys? There looked to be some troubling injuries? |
Ben Darwin is in hospital for observation for either neck or spinal injury. The first report is that he has movement in fingers and toes. Sharpy never recovered from Collins' shoulder charge but should be all right. I think Mortlock's problem was severe cramp, and Gregan said his ankle wasn't a problem.
Oh, and we get one day more to recover from the heat than either France or England will. 
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for Sean Marcelo
Jun 2003
time: 05:31
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well played Aus.
To me , they had a greater commmitment than the blacks, and , a greater sense of what makes a team work.
Mortlock WAS IMMENSE.
It was a boring game, but who cares.
Tuquri's catch was up there as the "champagne moment.
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How did they do it?
I wish England well tomorrow as an Eng-Aus final would be a really tough test.
Oh, and there was a forward in George Smith.
He should be called "Predator"for the style and the play.
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:31
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Originally posted by Tamerlin
[EDIT]I don't agree with you Finbar, I have found Gregan very bad though I agree Larkham has played from time to time as if he were back in 1999. [/EDIT] |
Sorry, Tamerlin, you're wrong. Yet again. While it wasn't the Gregan of two or three years ago in terms of skills, he was at the centre of things, driving things, helping the ref run the game, getting in the ABs' faces - all the things he hasn't been doing this year. Perhaps most importantly, because his forwards were going forwards for once, he wasn't retreating a couple of steps with the ball before passing. That was one of the keys to the win.
Edit. The interesting thing with Larkham was that, while he was up attacking the AB line like he used to, and he broke their line on a number of occasions, the Larkham of old had the pace to keep going, either scoring a try or setting up someone else. Last night, without that pace anymore, they were catching him. If only just.
Last edited by finbar on 16-11-2003 at 06:36
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:31
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Originally posted by flipside
a greater sense of what makes a team work. |
Yes, that's been Tamerlin's concern about the ABs for quite a while. As the old saying goes, a team of champions isn't always a champion team.
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Tuquri's catch was up there as the "champagne moment. |
Very talented player. He will end up in the centres. And, without wishing to labour a point, why has he spent most of the season on the bench?
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How did they do it? |
It wasn't dissimilar to the return Tri-Nations match between them which resulted in a narrow ABs' win after completely stuffing us the first time round. The Boks also pushed them hard in their return Tri-Nations match.
The common factor in both those return matches was getting in the ABs' faces, harassing them, giving them no room. They won both matches, but they weren't convincing. In fact, the Boks played them the same way they played England in their pool match. Unfortunately, the Boks couldn't repeat the effort against the ABs in their QF match. There were a handful of vital differences between our return Tri-Nations match against the ABs and last night:
1. Last night, our defence was even tighter and more aggressive;
2. Last night, we rarely kicked the ball away, giving their backline a free run at us;
3. And we had Mortlock, Tuquiri, Rogers and Sailor as bona fide threatening attacking options, whereas, in the return Tri Nations match, the backline were passengers because our attack consisted of hitting the ball up and turning it back inside, running into a wall of black jumpers.
So the seeds were there. And it has been every Wallaby supporter's ongoing frustration that, despite having the ingredients, the recipe never looked like coming together.
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LDiCesare
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001
time: 05:31
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England 24 - 7 France
England played better, putting a lot of pressure on the French who made silly mistakes (Dominici cost a lot to the team, as the French had to weather the English during 10 minutes with one less player, and Betsen later). The English probably also teased them a bit (Magne, Dominici) which was very clever and very English. The French kicked poorly too, finding bad lineouts when the English kicked less and better. Wilkinson made a very good match, particularly with his drop-goals. Johnson also made a good game.
I hope there won't be rain for the final, but that would probably be good news for the English, as their pack has been very strong. It's a pity there was so much rain, because we could have seen a more beautiful game.
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