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el paso texas
May 2002
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First I donot think the muslum girls are being force to wear veil in public that the same old arguent some christian where useing way back in the middle age when trying to explain how Islam became the dormant religion in the Holy Land, North Africa, and middle east by useing the sword to forcely convert people to Islam, all educ people now know that isnot true. The holy book have than law against forceing people to convert to Islam. Than girl must be at least 13 year old and up to decide if she want to cover her face and head.
Are you saying that than teenager isnot old enough to decide anything/
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Dry
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Brussels
Sep 2000
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Originally posted by CharlesBHoff
First I donot think the muslum girls are being force to wear veil in public |
On what planet are you living?
Being burned alive (Sohane Benziane) or raped by the gang (Samira Bellil) for not wearing the veil is probably something normal for you, something we should accept in the name of religious freedom. Or may be you agree that they deserve it?
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2...6826529017.html
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Home to many immigrants from the Maghreb, such suburbs have seen a rise in radical Islam that has turned attitudes towards women even harsher. Pressure is mounting for Muslim women to wear veils and forced marriages that snatch girls from college and a career are now commonplace.
Those that do not conform pay the price.
"The minute you show your face the insults start. You just put your head down and keep walking. The worst thing to do is answer back, because then they get aggressive," says Amel.
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http://in.news.yahoo.com/030226/137/21jt1.html
Not going that far, I could tell you about those public schools - very few today, but in increasing number with time - where not wearing the veil becomes dangerous for girls. I could tell you about those very, very atheist parents having put their children to the catholic - private - school in order to avoid that their daughter had to wear the veil.
I could tell you about that - non muslim - woman met in the train 5 years ago, who, to go to her office had to walk 50 meters between the bus stop and the entrance of the building in a 'muslim' street. She always had problems with men talking, harrassing, touching her... until she decided to put a scarf. She had now permanently a scarf in her handbag that she put on for those 50m.
She did it freely, that's true, but I guarantee you it was not done with pleasure, and only to avoid harassment. And I repeat SHE WAS NOT MUSLIM AND WAS ALREADY 5 YEARS AGO !!!!!
That's indeed not in my culture. Call me defender of a 'pure' western culture if you want, but I feel a need to fight that kind of 'culture'.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:33
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The Western Media is alway fill with woman in Islam nations being stone to death for extramarriage affairs. First since the Iran Republic founding in 1977 or 1978 no woman was never stone to death or put to death for just crime. All Death sentence must be approval by than highter Islamist Appeal Court. The framous case of that young woman in Nigeria was than prime example of the Islam North getting back at the Bapest President they have by sentence this woman to be stone to death so all of these Western Government and human right groups would put pressure on the Leader of Nigeria to embrass him and his government. Islam jurst told me it would not happen as almost all Islamist legal proc where vilate like not haveing witness to the same act of extramarriage affair, not waiting 3 month after her huband divore her to see it she was pregeant with her hushand child, since that legal point wasnot carry out that baby might be her hushand child. There was no way that Islam appeal court would have approval of the death sentence and in fact they declare the charges of extrasmarriage affair invaild legality in fact her ex-hushand is now payment support payment for her and the child.
The only case in the middle east lately was than man caught by his tribe for rapeing his 6 month old female baby, there was no trial by the local Iraman and fact he trie to talk the tribal member of stoneing him to death without than trial. Since there was than TV crew who caught the man rapeing his daughter when the other tribal member lift up the tent and drag him away from his daughter. Other 300 tribal member men,women includeing his wife, and childern stone him to death. They did get in trouble with the Islamic and state courts but when saw the video tape they just warning the villager to never do it again. Both of those court would have found him gueity and put him to death for his crime.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:33
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It than female bussienman want to do bussien in a Islamist states she must dress every modest or also they think you are than loose mortal woman. For a woman than loose dress that goes down about than inch below the knee, long sleeve, high neckline. Wear a head coveing like than muslum woman.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Dry
On what planet are you living?
Being burned alive (Sohane Benziane) or raped by the gang (Samira Bellil) for not wearing the veil is probably something normal for you, something we should accept in the name of religious freedom. Or may be you agree that they deserve it?
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2...6826529017.html
http://in.news.yahoo.com/030226/137/21jt1.html
Not going that far, I could tell you about those public schools - very few today, but in increasing number with time - where not wearing the veil becomes dangerous for girls. I could tell you about those very, very atheist parents having put their children to the catholic - private - school in order to avoid that their daughter had to wear the veil.
I could tell you about that - non muslim - woman met in the train 5 years ago, who, to go to her office had to walk 50 meters between the bus stop and the entrance of the building in a 'muslim' street. She always had problems with men talking, harrassing, touching her... until she decided to put a scarf. She had now permanently a scarf in her handbag that she put on for those 50m.
She did it freely, that's true, but I guarantee you it was not done with pleasure, and only to avoid harassment. And I repeat SHE WAS NOT MUSLIM AND WAS ALREADY 5 YEARS AGO !!!!!
That's indeed not in my culture. Call me defender of a 'pure' western culture if you want, but I feel a need to fight that kind of 'culture'. |
The same thing happen in the Sourth Bronge(NYC), La,
Dallas, Cirago and other major america cities, and it invole no muslum at all but black people an other ethiic
group that live in slums.
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Tamerlin
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Toulouse (South-western France)
Apr 2002
time: 06:33
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Actually, I would argue that by forbidding these symbols, you are denying rights to religious people available to the non-religious. In short, your laws already treat religious people differently. Why then should the religious people come into power in France, that they should tolerate the beliefs of the non-religious?
It seems to me that you don't mind because it isn't your beliefs that are being restricted. One of the beautiful things about religious freedom is that it protects the rights of those who choose not to believe, just as much as they do those who believe. Neither group gets favouritism.
As for the Moslems being restrictive, do you really want France to be known as the Western Saudi Arabia?
The very fact that a nation proscribes certian beliefs indicates an insecurity. A strong nation allows people to dissent, because they are not afraid of the ideas expressed by the dissenters. French people are obviously very afraid of religion. |
Answer to each paragraph:
1 - Wrong, it is the contrary!
2 - You should revise your history lessons... you will see the practice is very far away from the theory.
3 - Better to hear that than being deaf! Try again...
4 - Utterly wrong and specious!
Northern America, this includes the USA and the Canada, seems to be so locked up in the politically correct that it can no more tells the difference between freedom and abuse. It seems like it is almost forbidden to disagree or to have an opinion that differs from the major trend... which in this case means yours.
Northern America's way of thinking is certainly not the best way of thinking, as is not Europe's or France's way. But as far as I am concerned I am not trying to convince you of the contrary. On the same level, we the French are not thinking like you do, but we are not trying to convince you that our way is superior to yours.
I will wait a little but I think I will sooner or later unregister from this thread as I am a bit tired of the anti-french rant. 
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Tamerlin
Answer to each paragraph:
1 - Wrong, it is the contrary!
2 - You should revise your history lessons... you will see the practice is very far away from the theory.
3 - Better to hear that than being deaf! Try again...
4 - Utterly wrong and specious!
Northern America, this includes the USA and the Canada, seems to be so locked up in the politically correct that it can no more tells the difference between freedom and abuse. It seems like it is almost forbidden to disagree or to have an opinion that differs from the major trend... which in this case means yours.
Northern America's way of thinking is certainly not the best way of thinking, as is not Europe's or France's way. But as far as I am concerned I am not trying to convince you of the contrary. On the same level, we the French are not thinking like you do, but we are not trying to convince you that our way is superior to yours.
I will wait a little but I think I will sooner or later unregister from this thread as I am a bit tired of the anti-french rant. |
Some political correcting sterm from the fact that some cities, countries ban the police department from useing the N word and other words while on duty to avoid have
riots which can cause many billion of dollar in damage, than loss of life, even the most rednecked poticalisn doesnot want than major riot. The hight court in American upheld this ban of the use of certain words by the police
while on duty. I than very political incorrect but I even avoid useing the N word round black people as it is hightly insulting to them.
Last edited by CharlesBHoff on 17-01-2004 at 15:57
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:33
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These boy in French who are terrorism the Muslim girls in French are nothing more than street criminal, they arenot Muslim as they donot know the meaning of the true Quran. First the Quran teach that woman are the equall of man and must be treated with respect they arenot to be force to have sex with than man or beaten by than man expect when the woman is endanger herself by trying to kill herself( use the mininal amount of force needed) Islam is than religion of peace. The Quote from the Quran which some Christian Fundie are useing is misquoteing the Quran. In context it was saying when the pagan of Mecca where attacking muslim man to kill then the Muslim man was free by God from the early ruleing use in Mecca of turning the other chech and free then to use force to potect thenself and they woman folk. In many other verses it state it than enemy offer to make peace on reasonfull term you must expect the term agree to.
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