14-01-2004 02:23									#211
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Post something that dosen't involve insulting the participants, and maybe I'll respond.

	14-01-2004 02:24									#212
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Haliburton would be one of the major benificiaries of a manned mission to Mars. Go figure.

	14-01-2004 03:15									#213
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 There are others with some sense in this country besides me... cnn.com article

I'll respond to this, though, since you've made it oh-so-very convenient.

quote: The 1960s program to put an astronaut on the moon met with a similar mixed response. A Harris poll taken in 1967 found people were about evenly divided on plans to send an astronaut to the moon. The U.S. space program finally landed men on the moon's surface in July 1969

	14-01-2004 03:17									#214
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NO THEY DIDN'T! IT'S ALL LIES! LIES I TELL YOU! THEY MADE IT UP! IT WAS FILMED IN HOLLYWOOD!



-Arrian

	14-01-2004 04:04									#215
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Do we want to go for a domination victory or a spaceship victory? Obviously, cultural and diplomatic are out of the question.

	14-01-2004 04:18									#216
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Every generation has its share of Luddites, who are poven by history time and again to do nothing but stand in the way of greater prosperity for the average person in the long run.

I just don't understand the ones who aren't actually threatened by the progress in question.

	14-01-2004 04:19									#217
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Haliburton would be one of the major benificiaries of a manned mission to Mars. Go figure.

Yes, and no one ever benefitted from going to the Moon.

	14-01-2004 04:21									#218
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Do we want to go for a domination victory or a spaceship victory?

I was always partial to the Domination route to victory.

quote: Obviously, cultural and diplomatic are out of the question.

Why not? We already built the UN wonder.

	14-01-2004 04:26									#219
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc It kills too quickly to become a pandemic. Also the very mutation that allows it to become airborne keeps it from being lethal to humans.

Zaire's too lethal and Reston non-infectious to humans but what other nifty tricks does that clever bug have?

That...beautiful crystal strand of protein. The elegance, the sheer, unthinking commitment to death and recreation. A white tiger, blazing brightly in the jungles of nucleic strands and connective tissues, setting alight to all it touches...

...my....Precious...


...Sorry, bit carried away there. Still, why hasn't bfg9000 replied to the idea that moving offworld is a good insurance policy when, above all other things, we've got a supervolcano that can cover the US of A in molten ash ticking away?

	14-01-2004 04:28									#220
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Zaire's too lethal and Reston non-infectious to humans but what other nifty tricks does that clever bug have? That...beautiful crystal strand of protein. The elegance, the sheer, unthinking commitment to death and recreation. A white tiger, blazing brightly in the jungles of nucleic strands and connective tissues, setting alight to all it touches... ...my....Precious...

I enjoyed reading the info sent to me by the CDC as well.

	14-01-2004 04:30									#221
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Yes, and no one ever benefitted from going to the Moon.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think che was being sarcastic.

	14-01-2004 04:35									#222
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quote: Every generation has its share of Luddites, who are poven by history time and again to do nothing but stand in the way of greater prosperity for the average person in the long run.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step to solving it.

	14-01-2004 05:50									#223
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This is the current headline on drudge

quote: 'MAN ON MARS IN NEXT 20 YEARS' The president is set Wednesday to outline a vision for NASA, calling for establishment of permanent base on Moon as a stepping stone to landing a human being on Mars within the next 20 years... Developing...

	14-01-2004 06:42									#224
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Jobs. Jobs. Jobs.

Developing the technology to do this will help drive America forward at a tremendous pace. Bravo Bush!

	14-01-2004 08:16									#225
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Yeah, more corporatism'll drive America at a tremendous pace into an economic slump as in the case of Japan. Bravo Bush!

	14-01-2004 09:14									#226
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quote: Yeah, more corporatism'll drive America at a tremendous pace into an economic slump as in the case of Japan.

No offense, but that's a pretty shitty linkage right there.

	14-01-2004 09:22									#227
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It sounded better before I tried to write it down (had to delete the "forward" to prevent the sentence from becoming even more convoluted)...

	15-01-2004 11:36									#228
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Didn't hear the speech, but I did read the transcript -- I'm feeling pretty pumped.

	15-01-2004 15:41									#229
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie :LOL: Will a golf ball on moon hit hard enough enter orbit? And if it comes back down, you will probably have a very long walk to fetch it.

some time ago i had calculate this for an examination question. IIRC you would better duck, because it will hit the back of your head.

	15-01-2004 23:58									#230
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Well it is said that Alan Shepard hit three golf balls while playing the course on the Moon. He never found the balls.

They must have gone into the ruff -- on Earth.

	16-01-2004 00:08									#231
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis some time ago i had calculate this for an examination question. IIRC you would better duck, because it will hit the back of your head.

You can hit a golf ball at 1.68 km/s (velocity of circular orbit at lunar surface)?

In actuality, the golf balls would travel ~10 times as far as on earth, assuming equal swings. Factor of 6 from 1.63 m/s/s acceleration as opposed to 9.81 m/s/s
and adding an additional 50% for aerodynamic drag.

	16-01-2004 00:10									#232
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benefit from curved surface of moon would be insignificant at that distance. would add possiblyan additional 20-30 yards (based on a couple of rough estimates of angle of stroke)

	16-01-2004 00:11									#233
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Not even a high-powered rifle bullet has sufficient muzzle velocity to go into lunar orbit.

Almost, though.

	16-01-2004 00:15									#234
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One of the most interesting aspects of the "plan" is that NASA seems to want to launch missions to Mars from the Moon.

	16-01-2004 20:42									#235
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Sh!t, this is one of the times when I wish I was wrong. I predicted that Bush would screw Nasa, and dammit I was right.

Bush says "I wanna go to Mars and the Moon" and what does he do: promises to throw a billion dollars to Nasa (promises, promises), cuts the shuttle program and tells Nasa to re-organise its budget.

A billion dollars won't take the US to the moon, let alone mars.

Dammit.

Now you all know that I'm pretty critical of the US, but I got to give them credit for doing a great job with the Mars mission. This is something the Americans can be really proud of.

You won't hear this very often from me, but way to go USA. Go USA Go.

	16-01-2004 21:00									#236
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One of the more interesting aspects of the plan is the part where they mention the moon has large amounts of hydrogen3 that could be used "for power generation". Did someone finally get fusion working and forget to announce it?

	16-01-2004 21:09									#237
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns One of the more interesting aspects of the plan is the part where they mention the moon has large amounts of hydrogen3 that could be used "for power generation". Did someone finally get fusion working and forget to announce it?

Perhaps the real intention is mine it, bring it back to earth, and use for nuclear weapons production?

But I'm no physicist.

	17-01-2004 07:07									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns One of the more interesting aspects of the plan is the part where they mention the moon has large amounts of hydrogen3 that could be used "for power generation". Did someone finally get fusion working and forget to announce it?

Huh? Where did you get this? I recall the president saying that it might be possible to manufacture rocket fuel on the moon. Is this part of that? H3 could be used as fuel for nuclear rockets.

	17-01-2004 10:11									#239
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Not hydrogen 3, helium 3. a deuterium/He3 mix is supposed to be an easier fuel to use than the deuterium/tritium mix.

	17-01-2004 10:25									#240
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Newspaper I read at lunch yesterday, so no link unfortunately.
I stand corrected, but my point still stands - they haven't got fusion working yet.

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