21-02-2004 02:31									#91
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King Dimytes of the Vikings.

I am really interested in seeing what techs people will choose. It certainly will make this game quite interesting. I expect to see some very unexpected things (did that make sense?)

Atm I have no clue what to choose as first tech. Seems like I have to go through the whole tech tree again and analyze different scenarios...

can we start please !
I really want to !

	21-02-2004 02:37									#92
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LOL,

if hatschy is ready and the questions have been answered, we can start.
as long as i dont have to prepare anything, im ready to go.

yeah, i expect some unexpected things too.

	21-02-2004 03:50									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Dimytes King Dimytes of the Vikings. I am really interested in seeing what techs people will choose. It certainly will make this game quite interesting. I expect to see some very unexpected things (did that make sense?) Atm I have no clue what to choose as first tech. Seems like I have to go through the whole tech tree again and analyze different scenarios... can we start please ! I really want to !

I'd like the advance...

WRECK_WOODEN_SHIPS

UNIT_SPRITE_TERMITE

ENABLING_TECHNOLOGY.....BRONZE_WORKING

OBSOLETE_TECHNOLGY.......VIKINGS-R-HISTORY

Then I would release them on the Dimytes citizenry and pestilence would take over and then no more Settlers-Breedin-like-a Sailors-Whore-Mates

Peace

Grandpa Troll

	23-02-2004 03:09									#94
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John of the English, please.

I don't mind much about other settings, and I'm not in a position to test the scenario right now (just reinstalled Windows...).

I have a couple of interesting ideas for tech choices .

I suggest that whoever makes the game uses, in place of email addresses, something like "OFT_English", etc. That helps to prevent you getting many turns with the same name and stops things getting silly if anyone is replaced.

	23-02-2004 03:13									#95
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i strongly agree with J.Bytheway about the email addresses, though giving the nickname of the player in it might be a good idea too, e.g. "OFT_Math_Germans" or so...

	23-02-2004 05:53									#96
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Still have to give the scenario a try. I think he had 'OFT_Spanish' instead of also the player name just in case someone is replaced.
I would like to be Aragorn of Germans. About the government question, I will have to try it out some and see.

	23-02-2004 13:27									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Protoss72000 Still have to give the scenario a try. I think he had 'OFT_Spanish' instead of also the player name just in case someone is replaced.

yes, but its still easier WITH the name before someone is replaced. after that you can identify the player by nation.

from my experience you usually need a seperate player address list for multiplayer games anyway, so mainly the players are identified by nation in this list.
my lists look like this
->Folder with Game Name
- Player A (Nation)
- Player B (Nation)
...

so i would find a format like "game"_"nation"_"(starting) player" most helpful.. just my 2 Eurocents

quote: I would like to be Aragorn of Germans.

im already Gerhard Schröder of the Germans

oh wait that was some other game...

well, i'll be Rainerman of the Turks then

	23-02-2004 13:35									#98
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btw, Protoss,
what makes you associate Aragorn with the Germans ?

	24-02-2004 06:38									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician btw, Protoss, what makes you associate Aragorn with the Germans ?

I am a big lotr fan, thus the name Aragorn. For the civ I am normally the Germans or Greeks (I am half German half Greek). I don't mind switching to Aragorn of Greeks if you want to be Germans math.

	24-02-2004 12:44									#100
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no problem, protoss.
i guess im also half-turkish by now.

	02-03-2004 19:11									#101
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update on the voting :

players (6):
Mathemagician, Protoss72000, FlameFlash, Grandpa Troll, J.Bytheway, Dimytes

votes:

A) Choose the tech ?

on the first turn - 5 votes (Math, Protoss, Flame, Troll, J.Bytheway)

B) Keep techs secret ?

yes, secret - 5 votes (Math, Protoss, Flame, Troll, J.Bytheway)

C) Use QuickStart Mod ?

no - 3 votes (Math, Protoss, Troll)
yes - 1 vote (Flame)

D) Ban Wormhole Sensor ?

no - 3 votes (Math, Flame, Troll)

E) Ban any wonders ?

no - 2 votes (Math, Flame)
yes - 1 vote (Troll)

F) Shall we use Power Slic 2 ?

yes - 1 vote (Math)
no - 2 votes (Dimytes, Troll)

G) Shall choosing a non-government tech as starting tech be compensated in any way (e.g. with the free warrior) ?

yes - 1 vote (Math)
no - 1 vote (Flame)

	02-03-2004 19:19									#102
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Summing it up...

players (6):
Mathemagician, Protoss72000, FlameFlash, Grandpa Troll, J.Bytheway, Dimytes

votes:

A) When to choose the tech ?
The tech will be chosen as early in the game as possible, but AFTER seeing the starting location. If this is not possible, then it is chosen BEFORE the game.

B) Keep techs secret ? YES
C) Use QuickStart Mod ? NO
D) Ban Wormhole Sensor ? NO
E) Ban any wonders ? NO
F) Shall we use Power Slic 2 ? NO
G) Shall choosing a non-government tech as starting tech be compensated in any way ?
TIED, im fine with a NO though. so:
NO

alright, with Hatschy as our moderator im confident we can start this game now and will be able to stick to the results of this voting almost perfectly
about A) Hatschy will surely best know what to do. i kind of trust him on that.

@Troll, are you fine with 6 players in this game ?

i dont know about you all, but im ready to get started...

	02-03-2004 19:52									#103
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!!!

	02-03-2004 19:56									#104
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..and you dont want to disappoint that cute little flubber ball, do you ?

	02-03-2004 21:17									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician Summing it up... players (6): Mathemagician, Protoss72000, FlameFlash, Grandpa Troll, J.Bytheway, Dimytes votes: A) When to choose the tech ? The tech will be chosen as early in the game as possible, but AFTER seeing the starting location. If this is not possible, then it is chosen BEFORE the game. B) Keep techs secret ? YES C) Use QuickStart Mod ? NO D) Ban Wormhole Sensor ? NO E) Ban any wonders ? NO F) Shall we use Power Slic 2 ? NO G) Shall choosing a non-government tech as starting tech be compensated in any way ? TIED, im fine with a NO though. so: NO alright, with Hatschy as our moderator im confident we can start this game now and will be able to stick to the results of this voting almost perfectly about A) Hatschy will surely best know what to do. i kind of trust him on that. @Troll, are you fine with 6 players in this game ? i dont know about you all, but im ready to get started...

Im cooll as long as we keep game moving at a decent pace...

I am headed to Las Pitas Honduras, near Choloteca in May for about 10 days, to build my Lord some new relationships & a church. That should be only time I am away, as far as I know.

Civ..hmm..gimme Grandpa Troll Two Feathers of the Native Americans please...

Peace

GT

	02-03-2004 21:20									#106
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...sorry Flameflash has Native Americans..hmm

Let me be Czar Troll IV of the Ruskies

Peace

GT

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	02-03-2004 23:45									#107
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Let's collect some setup info (some of the settings were not part of the discussion yet):

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Players are
Mathemagician (Rainerman of the Turks)
Protoss72000 (Aragorn of Germans)
FlameFlash (FlameFlash of the Native Americans)
Grandpa Troll (Czar Troll IV of the Russians)
J Bytheway (John of the English)
Dimytes (King Dimytes of the Vikings)

Game settings
Map:
- Size: Gigantic Map
- Shape: Doughnut

Slider settings:
- Wet/Dry 50%
- Warm/Cold 50%
- Ocean/Land 30% (more ocean than land)
- Island/Continent 50%
- Uniform/Diverse 100%
- Few/Many Goods 100%

Difficulty:
- Skill Level: Deity
- Barbarian Threat: Raging Hordes

Rules:
- Bloodlust off
- Pollution on

No AIs

OFT szenario settings
Free Tech: Within the first five turns (last chance is in the year 3800 BC)
One free warrior in first city: No

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If there are no objections, I'll start the game tomorrow evening. If you'd like to have some settings changed, please post to the thread before that time.

	03-03-2004 00:23									#108
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Those settings are all fine by me.

	03-03-2004 00:41									#109
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Allright, and I still haven't checked out my free tech yet.... gahhhhh I really need to work hard making my mind up now.

	03-03-2004 02:39									#110
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im fine with this.

@Dymites, im sure you will make the right choice

	03-03-2004 04:37									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Dimytes Allright, and I still haven't checked out my free tech yet.... gahhhhh I really need to work hard making my mind up now.

Dimytes

Glad to have you aboard

Umm..to "help" you, although you did whoop me, I am thinking that a tech that would most probably help you would be Domestication ..I mean..with those strong,virile,young Tony Curtis looking Mounted Archers...what chance would we stand???


Peace

Grandpa "Trying-2-Help" Troll

	03-03-2004 04:42									#112
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How does one work it with this many folks playing?

Do we allow restarts?

If so how many times?

By what turn?

I mean..if someone starts out on a river in a nice mountain range with goods..sweet!

not so sweet if you have an iceberg...

Just asking

Thanks

GT

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	03-03-2004 05:20									#113
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You have a point Troll.
Maybe we should ban too much ice, swamp and desert near starting position.
If more than 12 of 20 tiles are crap(desert/swamp/ice) within city raiduis of first city, assuming you build it where settler starts, a restart could be in place. This leaves a minimum of 8 usefull tiles for capitol.

Limit 1: At least 2 players must ask for restart at same time.
Limit 2: 3 restarts total and a player may only ask for a restart once. ( It could take 3 weeks or more to just start up the game with 3 restarts)

Just some suggestions from me.

But there is a problem with restarting.
An example:
The game has been restarted 2 times and a 3rd and last restart is done.
Player 2 had a good start position on restart 2, forest+river.
On the 3rd and last restart player 2 gets Glacier+river. Now how fun is that?

	03-03-2004 05:45									#114
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Those settings are fine by me. As for restarting, I don't really care so whatever you guys want.

	03-03-2004 06:00									#115
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Ill go with what we agree with...BEFORE the game starts that is.

I mean..I dont mind a moderator modeating..BUT..if I say i dont like my start and someone else is same..then we go that way.

Just want to know..

I mean..Dimytes does so great when he plays Lawrence of Arabia..

Desert,dead @R$e tiles are actually playing into his strengths..
so he would like them..throw in a Caribou (deer) and maybe some cold crab cakes..

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	03-03-2004 14:34									#116
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im fine with the restart rules suggested by dimytes.

	03-03-2004 19:23									#117
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It's probably easier if hatschy looks at all our starting positions and checks that none are unreasonable (using the cheat menu on the first turn) - that's the kind of thing that moderators often do...

	03-03-2004 19:35									#118
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One thing I'd like to recommend is that, for fairness sake, Hatchy maybe kill off blue, start with 7 players, and just disband (if possible) all units of blue.

Blue, standardly starts on a river for some reason. RC and I did some testing of that a while back...

Green sometimes gets lucky, but blue almost always does.

	03-03-2004 19:49									#119
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fine with that too...

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You can't disband all the units of a player (as a guard against stupidity). The best you can manage, AFAIK, is a SLIC trigger to kill off the player for you.

On second thoughts, you might be able to kill all the units with the cheat mode kill function.

The game does distribute the starting locations in order from the best that it locates downwards, so it is unsurprising that player 1 often starts on a river.