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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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Originally posted by Odin
Jesus was a real person, but I think the supernatural stuff was made up by a few of his followers, especially St. Peter. I read in a newsweek article about women in the Bible that the story about Mary Magdelene being a prostitute is false, that story was invented By Peter, who hated Mary Magdelene's close relationship with Jesus (she was his closest friend). This, unfortunatly, caused the male-chauvinism of Christianity. |
Odin, you may be right. There is a pattern of labelling all great women of the ancient world who have political enemies as prostitutes. (Cleopatra, Messilina, Theodora, Mary Magdalene, for example) This pattern is so consistent as to immediately give one pause when a great or famous woman in the ancient world has been labelled as such by the ancients.
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Jon Miller
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Originally posted by Odin
Jesus was a real person, but I think the supernatural stuff was made up by a few of his followers, especially St. Peter. I read in a newsweek article about women in the Bible that the story about Mary Magdelene being a prostitute is false, that story was invented By Peter, who hated Mary Magdelene's close relationship with Jesus (she was his closest friend). This, unfortunatly, caused the male-chauvinism of Christianity. |
any suggestion of this in the Bible at all?
Jon Mliler
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MrBaggins
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The movie had a huge number of pre-sold tickets. Mel Gibson spent millions in screener promotions to convince churches to promote the film, which has led many of those churches (and other individuals) to prebuy first week tickets, since they see the film as an evangelical tool.
Free tickets to something that there has been controversy over means that theatres were pretty full, but theres no indication as to how many viewers will come back... after all, these churches can't afford to keep doing this. I give Passion a couple of weeks at number 1. Hidalgo and Starsky & Hutch are out the next week, and should do OK, but I still think that Passion should be number 1, then too.
S & H is surprisingly not crap, and Stiller and Wilson are both crowd pleasers- look at Along Came Polly... Stiller was the star vehicle for that. As for Hidalgo, its too soon to tell... Viggo hasn't been in a movie since LOTR's and we don't know how many fans he has. My wife for one, is going, no question, and LOTR is getting plenty of press and will win the Oscar on Sunday, so that will give both Viggo, and ROTK a bounce... and ROTK is a guaranteed crowd pleaser.
The week after, though, you have a big release which will absolutely do big numbers, and is almost a lock to take the top spot... Secret Window.
Buzz will have died out by that point, and people will start listening to what other people are saying about the film, rather than wanting to see the controversial new film or getting a free presold ticket.
Of course, the film might have massive legs, but I think the film is likely to be reasonably heavily frontloaded, with greater than 35% drops per weekend. Its still way too early to tell. Of course its going to do decent numbers, but this film isn't Titanic. I don't see it being the biggest film of the year.
Its tough doing massive numbers since DVDs became popular.
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MrBaggins
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Plus ROTK is going wide release (again) after the Oscars... 2000+ screens... cutting into screen market share... I don't see how this won't affect Passion.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:34
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Originally posted by Ned
One either believes in God, or gods, or one does not. Atheism goes one step further and declares that there is no God and that people who do believe in God are -- well you pick the word. Whenever word you pick, it is not a kind word. |
You do realize that not believing in God is atheism, too, Ned? It doesn't have to entail a positive assertion that there is no god, it is simply the absense of belief in God. Welcome to atheism.
And this is categorically wrong. Most atheists, whether of the positive or negative variety, aren't religion-bashers. You're simply practicing your own bigotry by assuming this to be the case based on a small vocal minority. Again, Mr. Double Standard, why don't you judge Christians by the standards set by Falwell and Co.?
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It is very clear to me that atheism is built on hatred of religion. I have never seen anything or heard anything from an atheist that is inconsistent with this view. |
 Atheism is built on a lack of belief in God, period. I don't hate religion, nor do any od the atheists I know. They may hate the evils perpetrated in the name of religion by some people, but they hate evils perpetrated by anyone.
Tell, me Ned: What do the major religions in their official dogma say about atheism? Any kind words about it in Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism, etc.? Once again, the Nedaverse sees fit to apply blatant double standards to satisfy its master's biased agenda.
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Guynemer
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Originally posted by Sava
well sure... make a movie about Jesus and all the jesus freak morons will flock to it like flies to ****. |
That isn't helping, Sava.
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Capt Dizle
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Originally posted by Sava
well sure... make a movie about Jesus and all the jesus freak morons will flock to it like flies to ****. |
Nothing like the narrow minded attacking those whose mind he percieves as ... too narrow.
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MrBaggins
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Profitable = popular cinema. |
Popular in the first week usually equates to hyped cinema.
Scooby Doo and The Hulk had big first weeks.
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MrBaggins
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Originally posted by MrFun
After watching some more reporting on this blown-out-of-proportion issue, I just wanted to state that those who have in the past, showered praise for such movies as Pulp Fiction, Thin Red Line, and so forth, seem to be inconsistent by villifying the violence portrayed in Gibson's current movie. |
Pulp Fiction and The Thin Red Line are less graphically gory than TPOTC.
Direct depictions of personal violence have far less screen time in those movies than in TPOTC, and further more, there is a significant story beyond the violence, in both cases.
TPOTC is more akin to a slasher or snuff film, if you want to compare it to something.
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:34
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I read in a newsweek article about women in the Bible that the story about Mary Magdelene being a prostitute is false, that story was invented By Peter, who hated Mary Magdelene's close relationship with Jesus
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Why would you believe what Newsweek says? Rather late into the story, eh?
I saw the movie, it blew me away.
I would disagree with Imran about the violence in the movie getting to Texas chainsaw massacre levels. Gibson accomplishes more through suspense, then through the actual violence. He cuts away from the scourging at numerous points, so you get the feeling that while the scourging is important, it is not the only thing going on.
Secondly, all this anti-semitism is just bull. Gibson has some of the Sanhedrin council members withdraw from the proceedings against Christ, and others complain as to how not all the Council members are there. Even the Jewish council members are not all tarred with the same brush.
And a Jew helps Christ carry his cross while the Roman guards beat him down. Some of the Romans are downright kind, while others are brutal, just as in real life.
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