27-02-2004 01:52									#121
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Stupid, stupid movie.

A snuff film.

Let's traffic in hatred and guilt.

Mel is an S&M freak.

	27-02-2004 02:02									#122
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Viking Stupid, stupid movie. A snuff film. Let's traffic in hatred and guilt. Mel is an S&M freak.

And nothing wrong with that...

except I'm not a huge fan of snuff, or male BDSM, personally.

(but this movie absolutely does qualify as pornography)

	27-02-2004 02:33									#123
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quote: Hey, Jesus makes wine out of water! Let's see Clint do that.

Clint can drink the wine

	27-02-2004 02:37									#124
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A couple of my coworkers saw it, and their reaction was pretty much what I had guessed my assessment will be: If you're not a believer, you're essentially just watching 2 hours of some guy being horribly tortured and put to death. Since I have a low gore tolerance, I think I'll save it for Netflix.

	27-02-2004 04:05									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Hey, Jesus makes wine out of water! Let's see Clint do that.

I've always assumed every glass of water Clint touches turns into hard liquor.

	27-02-2004 04:52									#126
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@ AH

As for the rest of you...

I gave you such a good straight line too.

	27-02-2004 04:56									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov A couple of my coworkers saw it,

What, you work in an abbotoir?

Oops, that's cowworker Whenever i see coworker, it always makes me see cows

	27-02-2004 05:29									#128
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quote: If you're not a believer, you're essentially just watching 2 hours of some guy being horribly tortured and put to death.

For your sins...

	27-02-2004 05:30									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: If you're not a believer, you're essentially just watching 2 hours of some guy being horribly tortured and put to death. For your sins...

Well... no, because God is dead.

	27-02-2004 06:08									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: If you're not a believer, you're essentially just watching 2 hours of some guy being horribly tortured and put to death. For your sins...

What part of "not a believer" was so hard to understand?

	27-02-2004 06:16									#131
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I guess you have a point. It's hard to enjoy any movie if you can't suspend your disbelief enough to buy even the most basic premise of a film.

	27-02-2004 06:17									#132
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You shouldn't have to 'suspend' belief for what is supposed to be historical.

	27-02-2004 06:19									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You shouldn't have to 'suspend' belief for what is supposed to be historical.

Right... so drakes point must be that its all fiction.

	27-02-2004 06:21									#134
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quote: You shouldn't have to 'suspend' belief for what is supposed to be historical.

Actually, you often have to, as there is seldom a single, agreed upon view when it comes to history. And let's not even get into the blatant falsehoods that are added to many "historical" movies for effect.

I suppose you guys didn't like Braveheart because a good chunk of it was completely made up...

	27-02-2004 06:27									#135
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Why should we not like it? We didn't have to suspend belief for it. All of it COULD have happened.

	27-02-2004 06:30									#136
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Everything in the Passion COULD have happened, too.

edit: And this...

quote: All of it COULD have happened.

... isn't actually true. Braveheart was full of proven falsehoods, the Battle of Stirling Bridge (where's the bridge?) being the most notable.

	27-02-2004 06:32									#137
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or a subset of things... its not an all or nothing concept.

	27-02-2004 06:33									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Everything in the Passion COULD have happened, too.

When have you ever seen anyone get up and walk around 3 days after being crucified?

	27-02-2004 06:34									#139
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quote: When have you ever seen anyone get up and walk around 3 days after being crucified?

When have I ever seen a person be crucified? It must be impossible, since I've never seen it...

	27-02-2004 06:35									#140
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quote: When have you ever seen anyone get up and walk around 3 days after being crucified?

That doesn't happen in the Passion, Boris.

	27-02-2004 06:35									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: When have you ever seen anyone get up and walk around 3 days after being crucified? When have I ever seen a person be crucified? It must be impossible, since I've never seen it...

Well I've got a video of that. Not that I can post it here.. but.. you get the idea.

	27-02-2004 06:39									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I suppose you guys didn't like Braveheart because a good chunk of it was completely made up...

No, I didn't like (a good deal of) Braveheart because it was just poorly done.

I haven't seen the film, so I can't say for sure, but the consensus among my colleagues is that the film is certainly geared to believers and that it's not a question of "suspending belief," it's a question of having no interest in the message being portrayed. Since Gibson's professed intent is to show folks how Jesus died horribly supposedly because of our being sinners, it's not to hard to understand why people who don't buy into that notion won't be moved by it in that way.

	27-02-2004 06:41									#143
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quote: isn't actually true.

So, that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. You are the one who said you have suspend belief to watch The Passion.

	27-02-2004 06:41									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: When have you ever seen anyone get up and walk around 3 days after being crucified? When have I ever seen a person be crucified? It must be impossible, since I've never seen it...

So if that's possible, what ISN'T possible? You seem to have an arbitrary sense of what is "believable."

At least mine is based on what's empirically shown to be true, which is that dead people don't get up and walk around after 3 days.

	27-02-2004 06:43									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov At least mine is based on what's empirically shown to be true, which is that dead people don't get up and walk around after 3 days.

Limits like that tend to get stretched when the person in question is the Son of God.

	27-02-2004 06:43									#146
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quote: empirically shown to be true, which is that dead people don't get up and walk around after 3 days.

Define 'empirical.' What needs to be done to show that something is empirically true?

	27-02-2004 06:44									#147
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quote: I haven't seen the film, so I can't say for sure, but the consensus among my colleagues is that the film is certainly geared to believers and that it's not a question of "suspending belief," it's a question of having no interest in the message being portrayed.

So basically, you're such a staunch atheist that you can't even pretend that Jesus may have been the son of God for the course of a two hour movie. That's fine, I guess.

I would take issue with your description of the movie as "only for believers", however. I'm not a believer. I would really like to see this movie, however, as do many of my non-believing friends. I think I can suspend my disbelief and accept the simple premise of the film in order to be able to understand what Gibson is trying to say. If you can't do that, fine, but don't try to paint all non-believers as being so narrow-minded.

	27-02-2004 06:45									#148
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Someone needs to die and get back up 3 days later.

	27-02-2004 06:46									#149
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quote: You are the one who said you have suspend belief to watch The Passion.

You have to suspend disbelief to watch almost every movie. I don't see why the Passion should be held to a different standard.

	27-02-2004 06:46									#150
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Limits like that tend to get stretched when the person in question is the Son of God.

Which is proved how? The Bible said he did this and the only "proof" for the fact that he's the son of god is the very same book.