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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:34
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Bonds (and perhaps Sosa and McGuire as well) cheated by taking steroids in setting their home run records. Should we strip them of their home run records?
Selig seem strangely unconcerned about how this kind of gross misbehavior may forever taint baseball unless baseball does something about the home run records.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...&type=printable
"San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds, New York Yankees stars Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield and three other major league baseball players received steroids from a Burlingame nutritional supplement lab, federal investigators were told.
The baseball stars allegedly got the illegal performance-enhancing drugs from the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative through Greg Anderson, Bonds' personal weight trainer and longtime friend, according to information furnished the government and shared with The Chronicle.
In addition to Bonds, Giambi and Sheffield, the other baseball players said to have received steroids from BALCO via Anderson were two former Giants, outfielder Marvin Benard and catcher Benito Santiago, and a former A's second baseman, Randy Velarde.
Oakland Raiders linebacker Bill Romanowski also was said to have received performance-enhancing drugs.
Anderson allegedly obtained a so-called designer steroid known as "the clear" and a testosterone-based steroid known as "the cream" from BALCO and supplied the substances to all six baseball players, the government was told. In addition, Bonds was said to have received human growth hormone, a powerful substance that legally cannot be distributed without a prescription, investigators were told.
Agents obtained the information about the baseball players and illegal drugs last September during a probe that resulted in the indictment of Anderson, BALCO owner Victor Conte and two other Bay Area men on steroid conspiracy charges.
The information shared with The Chronicle did not explicitly state that the athletes had used the drugs they were said to have obtained. Bonds, who is baseball's single-season home-run king, and Giambi, who won the American League Most Valuable Player award when he was with the Oakland Athletics, have publicly denied using steroids. So has Sheffield. All three declined to discuss the matter Monday.
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Ashcroft vowed to crack down on steroid abuse, saying it threatens the integrity of sports and "fosters a destructive culture contrary to the values that make sports such an important part of American life."
But even as it promised to get tough on steroids, the government took unusual steps to turn the focus away from the elite athletes suspected of using the illegal substances that BALCO allegedly supplied. Early on, the government said it was not interested in prosecuting athletes for using steroids, instead granting them immunity when they were called to testify before the grand jury.
The government also has deleted from public court files the names of every athlete who allegedly obtained illegal performance-enhancing drugs from BALCO."
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"Contacted for comment Monday, Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig called steroids "sinister and seductive" and said he was distressed about the allegations about the players.
'We at Major League Baseball must strive for zero tolerance as it relates to the use of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs,' Selig said in a statement. 'We will do everything in our power to get to zero tolerance as soon as possible.'"
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MrBaggins
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I wouldn't strip him of the home run record... but I'd strip him of that stupid armor he wears at the plate, ever since he got a boo-boo years ago.
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MrBaggins
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Soriano golfed a sinker ball almost into the dirt from Lowe into the seats, in one game I recall. He's not what I'd call muscular... but he has incredibly quick hands. I think bat head velocity has a lot to do with this.
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:34
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Of course it does. I've seen a lot of Soriano, being a Yankee fan. When he golfs balls practically out of the dirt for homers, you will note that he's making solid contact. He's a crazy free-swinger - he actually goes down and gets those balls, and hits 'em solidly.
Look at the home run he hit in the 8th inning of the 7th game of the '01 World Series. Shilling throws a splitter that was about shin-high, and Sori goes down and gets it, crushes it, and almost wins the WS, but for Mariano's bout of humanity. Quick wrists, long reach. Solid contact.
Frankly, watching that skinny guy crush the ball is most of what makes him fun to watch. If you can put up with the agony of watching competant pitchers toy with him (once they'd seen him a time or two), that is.
-Arrian
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vlad
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Of Nanaimo British Columbia
Dec 1999
time: 21:34
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Baseball players, especially the older ones also take HGH(human growth hormone). It not only improves grip strength, but also hand eye coordination, and leans out the body.And of course it isn't detected in drug tests. So essentially we have bigger, faster, stronger players.
What is funny is all eyes are on the batters, yet pitchers too use steroids and HGH, that is why we are seeing bigger stronger pitchers as well.
Marginal players were notorious for playing ball in the Dominican or Mexico in winter, because they could buy steroids without a problem. This turned some minimum salary guys into million dollar contract players.
You also have to understand many athletes use steroids to come back from injuries faster. What owner wouldn't turn a blind eye to high paid talent earning their money that much faster after injury?!
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Guynemer
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I say test every player each week, ban all who use steroids, and wipe the records off the books.
I know none of that will ever happen, but wouldn't it just warm your heart if did?
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Guynemer
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Don't kid yourself, Imran. The owners don't want real 'roid testing either.
480 ft. home runs mean asses in the seats.
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