21-03-2004 16:44									#331
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Its up to the captians and players what they want to do, when to introduce new rules etc. I'm happy to just do the calculations and post the pitches. Just remember the 20,000 character limit for HTML, so the pitch can't get much bigger and stay in colour.

-Jam

	21-03-2004 16:49									#332
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I'll agree to whatever. However I'm not sure this game can work in it's present form no matter what the rules. I don't know how Zopperoni is faring but my team seem disinterested.

	21-03-2004 16:52									#333
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You have Frozzy and Spaced, right?

Frozzy seems to be buried in schoolwork, and Spaced plays golf at the weekends, so that could be the problem.

-Jam

	21-03-2004 17:56									#334
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It does seem that the game drags on too long without something really happening, and the current format could just as well be played with two people instead of ten.

	21-03-2004 18:19									#335
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Yes the game needs a better way to involve 10 players.

	21-03-2004 23:13									#336
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Yeah, I don't feel like an individual with Doc giving the orders. No offense, Doc.

Maybe it is better with one person in charge of the team, just like the American football game that me and Zop are playing. That has made more headway in one day than this one has made since inception.

	22-03-2004 00:06									#337
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy Yeah, I don't feel like an individual with Doc giving the orders. No offense, Doc.

None taken. People were sending orders at the start, but they didn't gel, so I changed some of them. Then players don't feel like they want to send orders if they'll get changed, which leaves me just doing them. The game needs to give more power to the players somehow IMO.

	22-03-2004 00:53									#338
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Individual orders, perhaps? (i.e. you send in orders yourself, not to the captain)

	22-03-2004 01:39									#339
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I thought the idea of the captians was to just collect the orders, not dictate them. I'd be happy if the captain was just looking at his teams orders, deciding what was the best move for himself to make, and sending them on.

I don't think the captians should be bossing the teams really.

-Jam

	22-03-2004 02:27									#340
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I don't the captains are bossing, but since they have more info they are in a better place to make a call on what to do.

All the suggestions made so far by made more then enough sence to me to try and change them or question them.

However, I do agree with Frozzy on this. I think the less orgnised this game is the more fun it will be..
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	22-03-2004 06:17									#341
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski I thought the idea of the captians was to just collect the orders, not dictate them. I'd be happy if the captain was just looking at his teams orders, deciding what was the best move for himself to make, and sending them on. I don't think the captians should be bossing the teams really. -Jam

Yeah but players have suggested roles for themselves sometimes, which will never work. So the only other option is for them to send a plan for the team, as some players did at the start. But then of course only one plan can be chosen, and seemingly over time no team members bother sending any thoughts. I'm not bossing so much as having no thoughts to draw upon.

	22-03-2004 08:52									#342
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sorry for my absence been a bit busy...

i happy with doc choosing best plan , and i usually send him my thoguhts to think about

	22-03-2004 16:39									#343
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Well, we can dump captains all together and just have people send the orders to me.

There's nothing stopping a team confering, its a matter of choice then.

-Jam

	22-03-2004 17:50									#344
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The game is missing a scissors paper rock element to it.

	22-03-2004 18:18									#345
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I think Jamski tried to implement that.

	22-03-2004 19:48									#346
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I did. But its only 2 sided.

-Jam

	23-03-2004 07:31									#347
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so are we moving on ???


or we waiting for new rules ???

	23-03-2004 08:21									#348
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*Tumble weed blows by

	23-03-2004 09:25									#349
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New rules.

	23-03-2004 09:30									#350
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crowd slowly leaves as no action for so long ......

	23-03-2004 09:38									#351
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Gold team beats up on Ras.

*Crowd comes roaring back in

	23-03-2004 09:42									#352
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Raz fights back and slaps throws them all naked into the crowd....

	23-03-2004 13:16									#353
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I've got no orders from anyone for a week or so...

I guess we're not moving on.

The question is, is there enough interest to support a revised version of the game? Would we have enough players to make it work?

-Jam

	23-03-2004 13:26									#354
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Depends on the rule changes. It would also necessitate removing the previous captaincy rules.

Perhaps the captain could submit orders for the whole team as per standard, but players also submit moves for themselves which override the captain suggestions. Or the gm when approaching the end of each round lets the captain know who's orders are not in and then the captain supplies the missing orders only. The 2nd suggestion sounds like less work, so gets my vote.

Of course, that leaves the rules still needing to be restructured.

	23-03-2004 16:00									#355
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I think the captain should only supply missing orders. However, with that structure the game will require even more coordination (which, let's face it is quite tedious by PM) if the players are allowed to communicate with one another. And you can't really ban communication effectively.

I'm just not sure what the correct model should be.

	23-03-2004 16:22									#356
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Perhaps simply let everyone send orders seperately. Let each player choose a "home" square, and if they don't send any orders, they move back towards "Home" that round. Its "zonal"

-Jam

	23-03-2004 17:37									#357
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski I've got no orders from anyone for a week or so... I guess we're not moving on.

Bullshit. I sent our orders on March 19.

	23-03-2004 17:54									#358
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He meant me. I haven't been sending because I don't think the game can survive long in its current format.

	23-03-2004 17:55									#359
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So you've decided to make sure it doesn't survive!

That gives us an automatic 5-0 victory. Well played Zop!

	23-03-2004 17:56									#360
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No, if the consensus is that we should play on with these rules I'll play on. But I don't think it is.