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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3500452.stm

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Many dead in Madrid train blasts

The blasts hit during the morning rush hour
A string of deadly blasts has hit Madrid's rail network during the rush hour, killing at least 30 people.

Police cars raced to the Atocha train station in the heart of the Spanish capital, where a blast destroyed carriages of a suburban train.

Explosions were also reported on other trains, and there are unconfirmed reports of a much higher death toll.

Spain's government has blamed Basque separatist group Eta for the attacks which come ahead of Sunday's elections.

Blood donations

The area around Atocha station, which lies in the heart of Madrid, has been cordoned off.

A reporter for the Associated Press news agency saw a woman with blood on her face outside the station, and medical staff were seen treating at least three people.

Cesar Gomez, a Madrid rescue services official, told AP there were many injured at Atocha.

Atocha is a huge rail station used by commuter and inter-city trains, which also has a metro station.

The Spanish news agency, EFE, is reporting that there were also blasts at the Santa Eugenia and El Pozo train stations.

Madrid hospitals have made an urgent appeal for blood donations.

Spain's political parties have suspended campaigning for Sunday's poll.

Bomb plots

Although the picture is still very confused, suspicion is bound to fall on the Basque separatist group, Eta.

Last month, two suspected Eta members were arrested as they headed to Madrid in a truck laden with explosives.

Spanish police said they were arrested about 140km outside the city with 500kg of explosives hidden in the vehicle.

Government officials believe the men were planning an attack in the lead-up to Spain's general election.

And last December, Spanish authorities said they foiled a Basque separatist plot to blow up a train at a Madrid rail station.

One powerful 25-kilo (50 lb) bomb was placed on a train travelling from San Sebastian to Madrid, Interior Minister Angel Acebes said.

Eta has killed more than 800 people in its campaign since the late 1960s.


Man, that is sad.

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Lets find those who did this and execute them all on site. Nobody who did this deserves to live! This is an abhorrent terrorist attack of hideous proportions! If we ever find who did this, they better consider bringing back the death penalty.

Now I have to call my family there. I swear... if anything happened to any of my family...

Consider my opinion changed on autonomy for the Basque region. Suspend it all and declare martial law.

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The BBC is now saying that at least 60 people are dead.

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THEIR AUTONOMY IS ****ING OVER.

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Giancarlo, how is the ETA associated with the government of the Basque territory? Why would you take it out on them if they are not connected?

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Giancarlo, how is the ETA associated with the government of the Basque territory? Why would you take it out on them if they are not connected?


Sorry I am just really pissed off. But there should be at least a state of emergency declared in the Basque region. They can **** their independence and their autonomy. The voters will really screw them over.

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strange,

don't they normally tip off the general public about their next moves ? (the eta this is)

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oh, and i hope your family is ok ...

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strange,

don't they normally tip off the general public about their next moves ? (the eta this is)


**** no. They murder and slaughter innocent civilans whenever they get a chance. That is how the work. These leftist terrorist thugs should get their bodies riddled with bullets.

In 1987, the set off a bomb that killed 21 in a supermarket. What makes you think they tip the general public off?

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Spanish state radio is now reporting at least 85 people dead.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle....83§ion=news

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How do they know it's ETA and not Al Qaeda taking revenge for Spain's support of the US's war on terror?

Condolences to the Spanish people.

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We must track down who did this and execute them all on the spot. No trial.

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How do they know it's ETA and not Al Qaeda taking revenge for Spain's support of the US's war on terror?


That's weak. Really weak. We supported the US because we ****ing hate terrorists and we think they should all be executed.

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I think they suspect ETA because of the elections coming soon

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I think they suspect ETA because of the elections coming soon


Which the PP will win by a damn landslide. Tough hand on terrorism and this did it. In essence if this was ETA, they screwed themselves further because the PP will take even a bigger win. The PP (Popular Party) is very hardline when it comes to terrorism.

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That's weak. Really weak. We supported the US because we ****ing hate terrorists and we think they should all be executed.


It was actually a serious question. Simultaneous blasts seem more like a Al Qaeda M.O. (embassy bombings etc) than ETA. I agree that it is more likely to be the ETA due to the elections, but IIRC Spain was on the list of countries that Bin Laden said should be attacked by every Muslim after Afghanistan.

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It was actually a serious question. Simultaneous blasts seem more like a Al Qaeda M.O. (embassy bombings etc) than ETA. I agree that it is more likely to be the ETA due to the elections, but IIRC Spain was on the list of countries that Bin Laden said should be attacked by every Muslim after Afghanistan.


I don't think this is Al Qaeda. It has too much to do with the elections.

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Yikes. I never thought the basques are capable to do something on this scale. Maybe it's really Al-Queda, simultanity and all that...

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Does ETA usually claim responsibility after attacks like the IRA or not?

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Does ETA usually claim responsibility after attacks like the IRA or not?


Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

They have done deadly attacks before. One in a grocery store in 1987, which killed 21.

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We must track down who did this and execute them all on the spot. No trial.




Yeah, we don't have to prove their guilt before executing them. But hey, I'm not fascist!

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Train networks aren't Al Queda's style...yet.

Eta has apparently bombed trains before, and according to the article, two Eta terrorists last month transporting explosives for just such a plot.

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85 dead!

I think that's one of the worst attacks ever since Sept. 11.

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This is terrible

It's probably ETA. Who else could it be? (It could be al qaida, but you wouldn't think Spain is on the top of their list of targets.)

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In 1987, the set off a bomb that killed 21 in a supermarket. What makes you think they tip the general public off?


Therefore i said NORMALLY.
It could be that they've chosen just not to do it this time...
It could be that it's not ETA who is responsible. Nobody knows right now. And that includes you too.

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It could be that it's not ETA who is responsible. Nobody knows right now. And that includes you too.


We all know it

The spanish police have stopped two vans with explosives in the last weeks. At least one of them was destinated to madrid, and the Government told the objective was the railroad network. Believe me, Al-Queda has nothing to do with it.

Giancarlo, please stop your PP propaganda. People are dying right now, so please leave politics at a side by the moment.

I've put the Spanish Civilization Site in mourning.

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It is ETA, for sure, it follows its methods, their cruel calendar and its intentions. the cruelty has surpassed this time the imaginable limit. There is no doubt that the influence of other terrorist organizations has inspired this attack, together with the fact that ETA is desesperately finished every time more and more , its leaders are harassed by continuous police successes. This is the last acts of a band in disappearance. As for the answer, this will be luckily the less radical possible. Millions of people will pronounced in Madrid the next Sunday, the absolute majority of basques will show his repulses to the attack. The general elections will have a participation record. All institutions keep with their tasks, policy will continue breaking up the terrorist cupola time and time again.

One hundred and thirty four now....Atocha is the most crowded train station at Spain, all the radial lines ends here.
My family is from Alcala de Henares, They uses the exploded line. They are fine, fortunately. I use to take the line when I go on holidays. Nobody is safe, but this is not reason for isolation and blind revenge.

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That's nasty. Trains are really very vulnerable targets, like planes without the security.

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Maybe Spain should work on its own WoT before they try and help us in ours?

 
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